President Elect's 'top team'

[ey_tony]

Oh the irony

No matter what the two Canadian guys say with regard their real life experiences of living in Canada on a daily basis , Robin will undoubtedly tell them they are wrong and keep doing so in order to appear to win the argument! That is the irony.

I disagree with many opinions but for instance I don't accuse 80 million people of having got it wrong just because their reasons for voting for a certain person didn't fit with my own views!

If people disagree with me, sooner or later one of us will be proved wrong and the other proved correct. Back and forth argument ultimately serves no useful purpose if opinions are polarised....better just wait to see who is correct.

 

[Jacob]

No matter what the two Canadian guys say with regard their real life experiences of living in Canada on a daily basis , Robin will undoubtedly tell them they are wrong and keep doing so in order to appear to win the argument! That is the irony.

I disagree with many opinions but for instance I don't accuse 80 million people of having got it wrong just because their reasons for voting for a certain person didn't fit with my own views!

If people disagree with me, sooner or later one of us will be proved wrong and the other proved correct. Back and forth argument ultimately serves no useful purpose if opinions are polarised....better just wait to see who is correct.

Well climate changing is now happening in different ways worldwide, so we wokies have been correct on that one from the start!

 

[danst96]

Blaming "exploding population" is usually shorthand for blaming immigrants.

No there are not, it's wishful thinking. We are coming to the end of fossil fuel use worldwide.

Well that wasnt my intention. I am one of those immigrants. I am originally from Leeds and my wife from Worcester. Its dangerous to assume bud.

 

[RobinBHM]

I think it is highly unlikely Trump will increase tariffs by 25% from Canada and Mexico, its just threats to try and force them to do more to stop people and drug smuggling

if Trump did stick 25% tariffs on when he gets into office, it would overnight cause price rises and inflation...so it wont happen.

of course Trump knows the making these threats he is keeping himself in the headlines, which is what he loves

 

[RobinBHM]

A strong economy leaches its way down through the whole system.

not if the rich own all the assets.
not if public services are limited


USA and UK have high gdps per capita, but both have worse standards of living for the majority of ordinary working people than many other western economies such as Northern Europe

 

[Chris152]

I disagree with many opinions but for instance I don't accuse 80 million people of having got it wrong just because their reasons for voting for a certain person didn't fit with my own views!

I guess the same applies to the 17, 277, 180 people who voted in favour of the National Socialist Party in Germany in 1933? On the contrary, my opinion is that they made a great mistake, precisely because they don't fit with my own views.

As for the idea that you can't make serious comment on a country's economy without living in that country, I'm sure there are economists throughout the world who would want to question that. Living in a country allows you to state your feelings and experiences of living there, but the idea that that trumps economists' accounts of the sate of the economy is just ridiculous.

 

[sploo]

That statement could be definitely said about the Trumpophobes on here.

Trump is "bad" because there's a whole wealth of factual, recorded, undisputed, evidence of his character and (illegal) deeds.

A couple of posters on here appear to dislike Trudeau, and attribute negative impacts on the Canadian economy on him personally; when there is evidence that ties those issues to Covid.

So there's one guy who some people love, and some people hate, but who has a string of convictions.

There's another guy who some people hate (e.g. in this thread), and (I assume) some people love, and the only "crime" he's been accused of (in this thread) is clearly the result of external factors.

There's a difference. Does that make sense?

 

[sploo]

He had an opinion that danst96 had disagreed with and he tried to find evidence to support his position. He managed to find two graphs, and the use of which as supporting evidence was very flawed. There was also some other stuff about how the Canadian economy was great due to the bloke but his assertions are shaky to say the least.

I don't dislike the man (I assume you mean Trudeau), why would I when I've never met him or been impacted by his actions? That would be irrational. What I dislike is the use of flawed arguments supported by misinterpreted evidence to support an argument that has been born out of ideology.

Right - that's a fair argument; if you feel the evidence presented was flawed then OK.

 

[Agent_zed]

No matter what the two Canadian guys say with regard their real life experiences of living in Canada on a daily basis , Robin will undoubtedly tell them they are wrong and keep doing so in order to appear to win the argument! That is the irony.

I disagree with many opinions but for instance I don't accuse 80 million people of having got it wrong just because their reasons for voting for a certain person didn't fit with my own views!

If people disagree with me, sooner or later one of us will be proved wrong and the other proved correct. Back and forth argument ultimately serves no useful purpose if opinions are polarised....better just wait to see who is correct.

I can only assume that you must by your own logic also agree that it was correct for Germany to support Hitler and the Nazi party, as they won 37% of the vote in 1932, which was significantly more than any other party. You said of Trump that 'I actually value the opinions of some 80 million people who 'actually' voted for him' (and similar above) so surely you would also apply that to the 1932 German voters? Or are you bigoted enough to say that those people who held a different view to yours were wrong?

Let's for fun amend your statement -

'You may have an opinion of Trump which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 80 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.'

To:

'You may have an opinion of Hitler which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 13.4 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.'

Do you still stand by your statement that you wouldn't insult millions of voters and say they were wrong?

logic is fun isn't it.

 

[Jacob]

Well that wasnt my intention. I am one of those immigrants. I am originally from Leeds and my wife from Worcester. Its dangerous to assume bud.

But you are not part of the exploding population?

 

[sploo]

I can only assume that you must by your own logic also agree that it was correct for Germany to support Hitler and the Nazi party, as they won 37% of the vote in 1932, which was significantly more than any other party. You said of Trump that 'I actually value the opinions of some 80 million people who 'actually' voted for him' (and similar above) so surely you would also apply that to the 1932 German voters? Or are you bigoted enough to say that those people who held a different view to yours were wrong?

Let's for fun amend your statement -

'You may have an opinion of Trump which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 80 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.'

To:

'You may have an opinion of Hitler which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 13.4 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.'

Do you still stand by your statement that you wouldn't insult millions of voters and say they were wrong?

logic is fun isn't it.

We've strayed into Godwin's law there haven't we, but I suppose that he got into power as a result of:

• Economic problems in the nation that left many disenfranchised
• Appealing to a sense of Ultranationalism
• Promises to return the country to greatness
• Demonization of groups claimed to be responsible for the nation's ills

I'll leave it up to the reader to decide who "he" is.

 

[danst96]

But you are not part of the exploding population?

yes i am. I never said there was an issue with that, i just said the economy and systems in general are not keeping up with it. That said the Canadian government still very kindly let me in and i have since contributed well over $100k in taxes in my short time here. Whats your point?

There really is no point arguing with you jacob. you are like a dripping tap of irrelevance.

 

[ey_tony]

Well climate changing is now happening in different ways worldwide, so we wokies have been correct on that one from the start!

When do you think the climate started changing?

 

[Agent_zed]

We've strayed into Godwin's law there haven't we, but I suppose that he got into power as a result of:

• Economic problems in the nation that left many disenfranchised
• Appealing to a sense of Ultranationalism
• Promises to return the country to greatness
• Demonization of groups claimed to be responsible for the nation's ills

I'll leave it up to the reader to decide who "he" is.

I'd say I skated to the edge of it my point wasn't that Trump = Hitler (Unlike JD Vance I don't think I've ever publicly stated that), it was that I don't believe it is wrong to say that a group of people are wrong just because there are a lot of them. To say otherwise would, by the above logic, mean agreeing that you cannot say the voters of the Nazi party were wrong for voting for them. Group thinking can be extremely detrimental to all levels of society if used incorrectly and to further the goals of a minority at the expense of the majority.

 

[Agent_zed]

When do you think the climate started changing?

ask the fossil fuel industries they did a study on it around the 1950's and determined their activities would have a negative impact.

 

[ey_tony]

I can only assume that you must by your own logic also agree that it was correct for Germany to support Hitler and the Nazi party, as they won 37% of the vote in 1932, which was significantly more than any other party. You said of Trump that 'I actually value the opinions of some 80 million people who 'actually' voted for him' (and similar above) so surely you would also apply that to the 1932 German voters? Or are you bigoted enough to say that those people who held a different view to yours were wrong?

Let's for fun amend your statement -

'You may have an opinion of Trump which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 80 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.'

To:

'You may have an opinion of Hitler which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 13.4 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.'

Do you still stand by your statement that you wouldn't insult millions of voters and say they were wrong?

logic is fun isn't it.

No matter what I say you'll only come back with yet more guff so let's leave it as I've better things to do right now than argue with an ideologue.
If you don't like Trump for any of the reasons you choose then that is your prerogative and ultimately opinion and you're entitled to it but you're NOT entitled to tell me what my opinion should be, so don't bother and don't even try.
For one reason it's because I don't believe half of the trash written about Trump by people like yourself. I'd sooner trust a barrel of rattlesnakes than trust anything put out by the Demonocrats regarding Trump. The internet is absolutely full the trash it's unbelievable so don't expect me to indulge you in your petty hate as I can't be ar**d!

 

[Agent_zed]

No matter what I say you'll only come back with yet more guff so let's leave it as I've better things to do right now than argue with an ideologue.
If you don't like Trump for any of the reasons you choose then that is your prerogative and ultimately opinion and you're entitled to it but you're NOT entitled to tell me what my opinion should be, so don't bother and don't even try.
For one reason it's because I don't believe half of the trash written about Trump by people like yourself. I'd sooner trust a barrel of rattlesnakes than trust anything put out by the Demonocrats regarding Trump. The internet is absolutely full the trash it's unbelievable so don't expect me to indulge you in your petty hate as I can't be ar**d!

how many times do I need to write, I am not getting my information on trump from articles from the internet. I am listening directly to the words out of his own mouth. So either everything he says is not to be believed in which case he is a liar, or if you believe what he is saying he is a disgusting vile person.

I don't know where you get your right wing information from but perhaps you should actually listen to the mostly non-sensical hate speech that comes directly from his mouth.

As for disliking 'petty hate', I just need to check.... do you actually know who Trump is? If you haven't noticed every other word out of his mouth is some insult on someone, then you may have him confused with someone else.

 

[Chris152]

I disagree with many opinions but for instance I don't accuse 80 million people of having got it wrong just because their reasons for voting for a certain person didn't fit with my own views!

I guess the same applies to the 17, 277, 180 people who voted in favour of the National Socialist Party in Germany in 1933? On the contrary, my opinion is that they made a great mistake, precisely because they don't fit with my own views.

No response, Tony? Are your own views not grounded in something you consider fundamentally right?

 

[sploo]

I'd say I skated to the edge of it my point wasn't that Trump = Hitler (Unlike JD Vance I don't think I've ever publicly stated that), it was that I don't believe it is wrong to say that a group of people are wrong just because there are a lot of them. To say otherwise would, by the above logic, mean agreeing that you cannot say the voters of the Nazi party were wrong for voting for them. Group thinking can be extremely detrimental to all levels of society if used incorrectly and to further the goals of a minority at the expense of the majority.

Actually that is a really good and funny point; I suspect it would annoy a lot of Trump supporters to hear someone compare Trump to Hitler. Except the person that did it was his own VP.

 

[Blackswanwood]

The internet is absolutely full the trash it's unbelievable so don't expect me to indulge you in your petty hate as I can't be ar**d!

For someone who cannot be ars**d you seem to spend a lot of time ranting on about it.