President Elect's 'top team'

[RobinBHM]

That's the tax to GDP ratio, can you find a graph that shows tax as a percentage of income?

tax to gdp ratio is relevant


you made the claim that Canada already has "some of the highest taxes in the world", Im sure you can support that with evidence

 

[mudman]

not according to the data Canada is ranked 20th out of 38 in tax / gdp ratio below the Uk and many others



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Oh hang on, lets look at the next page of that document.

 

[mudman]

tax to gdp ratio is relevant


you made the claim that Canada already has "some of the highest taxes in the world", Im sure you can support that with evidence

And I didn't make that claim, that was our Canadian friend.

 

[Jacob]

Oh hang on, lets look at the next page of that document.
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That sounds very civilised judging by the OECD comparison. More direct taxes take money from the better off, indirect taxes are unfair on the less well off.

 

[sploo]

My issue with Robin is he (and you) are defending Trudeau with "facts and figures" without having any real life context at all.

But that's going back to the "sample of one" problem; making a judgement based on what you see personally, rather than taking data that shows the bigger picture.

I could whinge about all sorts of things in the UK that I don't like, but I accept that my personal experiences are just that, and not necessarily the wider truth (for which we can only look at data for countries - or at the very least - regions, as a whole).

 

[danst96]

But that's going back to the "sample of one" problem; making a judgement based on what you see personally, rather than taking data that shows the bigger picture.

I could whinge about all sorts of things in the UK that I don't like, but I accept that my personal experiences are just that, and not necessarily the wider truth (for which we can only look at data for countries - or at the very least - regions, as a whole).

You keep proving my point. Live here, talk to people, read the polls.

 

[RobinBHM]

Oh hang on, lets look at the next page of that document.
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so not the highest in the world then, nothing like it

 

[RobinBHM]

You keep proving my point. Live here, talk to people, read the polls.

"live here, talk to people, read polls" -you mean to suit your bias


everywhere is suffering a cost of living crisis, its called post covid inflation............which you blame entirely on Trudeau.

 

[sploo]

You keep proving my point. Live here, talk to people, read the polls.

That's... meaningless. As I've said - opinion based on personal observation isn't necessarily reality (based on data).

I live in the UK, I talk to people; it doesn't mean that my personal observations on the UK are correct across the whole of the country.

 

[ey_tony]

Your acceptance of such a vile predator is the thing that worries me the most. I can get supporting the republican ideal, but not Trump or the rest of his deviants.

Don't let it worry you...I can put up with opinionated people like you so I can put up with Trump. He's not my president as it happens and never will be so as far as I'm concerned I actually value the opinions of some 80 million people who 'actually' voted for him over the opinion of someone with your patronising hate filled views so please don't worry on my part just as I won't worry about you or anyone whom I deem to be extreme nutters when it comes to their views.
Whether you accept him or not is your problem not mine.

You may have an opinion of Trump which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 80 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.

 

[mudman]

so not the highest in the world then, nothing like it

Your provided quote that was actually not mine was "some of the highest taxes in the world". That did not say the highest taxes in the world. Any other person not trying to win a pissing contest would take that to mean that "they are highly taxed and at a level that is high compared to most of the other countries in the world".
Your own evidence shows that personal taxation in 2022 was ranked 6th in the world. That's pretty high.

 

[mudman]

I note that you dont pick up on danst96 for attributing the weakness of the CAD vs Dollar on the Trudeau

I provided a graph that indicates otherwise

I missed this.
They are both opinions, danst96's is based on lived experience that you would dismiss as anecdotal and provide an alternative based on flawed evidence. (see previous post)

 

[ey_tony]

Bang on here Tony. Trudeau is a media darling in other countries, just like Jacinda Arden was. However talk to the people that actually live here or in NZ, entirely different story.

The healthcare system here is more broken than the UK, we are taxed to the absolute hilt on bull s h it, there is a whole election interference scandal from China which the current government refuses to give any info about to the public (raises huge suspicions), we have a green peace activist as our environmental minister who serves his only interests only, we have a PM that refuses to exploit the colossal natural resource of this country which could be supplied to many western nations as a much more sustainable source of natural resources (which the world still needs to operate) in the name of doing good (i.e. pandering to the western media and get nice round of applauds at international summits) so instead those countries have to rely on countries in the middle east and China for those resources which are mined/extracted/exploited in a much more harmful way to both the environment and humanity, i could go on and on and on.

No government is perfect but the Canadian PM is possibly the biggest phony of all time and even though the vast majority of Canadians are screaming out for an election, he ignores and keeps on serving his own interests.

Oh and Robin, since you think trudie is so good, google Trudeau scandals. Blackface is just the tip of the iceberg. The guy is a national embarrassment.

The problem with keyboard warriors Dan is that they rarely live in the countries they are so vociferous about and only absorb information that resonates with own political views. They are so convinced they are correct that they don't believe an alternative opinion to theirs exists even when someone like you who comes along and tells it like is.
I confess I know little about Canada and its politics other than for quite a while now I've noticed in editorials and news reports a growing discontent with Trudeau just as you say like Jacinda Arden. The left wingers of the world hold them in high esteem when they don't live in those countries... but it's the people who live there who know best, not some keyboard warrior sat in their bedroom in the UK or elsewhere.

The problem is that they don't live in the real world, theirs is an imagined Utopian world which doesn't and never will exist.

 

[Agent_zed]

Don't let it worry you...I can put up with opinionated people like you so I can put up with Trump. He's not my president as it happens and never will be so as far as I'm concerned I actually value the opinions of some 80 million people who 'actually' voted for him over the opinion of someone with your patronising hate filled views so please don't worry on my part just as I won't worry about you or anyone whom I deem to be extreme nutters when it comes to their views.
Whether you accept him or not is your problem not mine.

You may have an opinion of Trump which I'm sure everyone who is bothered will also have, but don't insult 80 million people just because they don't agree with your own personal bigotry.

I guess hating narcissistic sexual predators is a bad thing and somehow extreme

Guess I'll just have to live with that character flaw.

Should I constantly change my avatar to reflect how unstable I am?

 

[ey_tony]

I can't but help think that you and mudman dislike the man so much (rightly or wrongly) that it clouds judgement and leads to cognitive dissonance when presented with data that doesn't paint him in a bad light.

That statement could be definitely said about the Trumpophobes on here.

 

[mudman]

This again feels like getting angry about things that weren't argued. I don't recall Robin saying anything positive about Trudeau; he's simply been presenting data that dispels the notion that Canada's economic issues are specifically his fault.

I can't but help think that you and mudman dislike the man so much (rightly or wrongly) that it clouds judgement and leads to cognitive dissonance when presented with data that doesn't paint him in a bad light.

He had an opinion that danst96 had disagreed with and he tried to find evidence to support his position. He managed to find two graphs, and the use of which as supporting evidence was very flawed. There was also some other stuff about how the Canadian economy was great due to the bloke but his assertions are shaky to say the least.

I don't dislike the man (I assume you mean Trudeau), why would I when I've never met him or been impacted by his actions? That would be irrational. What I dislike is the use of flawed arguments supported by misinterpreted evidence to support an argument that has been born out of ideology.

 

[Noel]

. Yes, extra paperwork may cost businesses more but this may have been nullified by other measures taken to recoup the loss .............

Such as? What other measures ?

 

[Jacob]

through better governance. Redirection of tax money from other initiatives which have a smaller impact and greater exploitation of our natural resources to increase national GDP and as a result increasing national tax income.

That's more or less the tory answer to the same question. Somewhat waffly and unclear. Amounts to "austerity" i.e. spend less on public services to reduce wastage and encourage efficiency! Didn't work!

That's before you address the shortage of professionals

Done from both ends; at the top end make dental services available for all and thereby increase demand. At the bottom end increase investment and incentives for education, training, practices, in Dentistry.
Both mean raising taxes, unless you know of a goose laying golden eggs.

 

[danst96]

goose laying golden eggs.

The natural resources in Canada which our PM is determined to kill off. Canada has the 3rd largest amount of oil reserves with the province of Alberta alone having the 4th largest oil reserves in the world. Saskatchewan has something like 27 of 37 precious minerals/metals the world needs to operate including the largest uranium deposit in the world.

All of this is severely under utilized/being regulated to death, pipeline projects, terminal projects etc etc. being cancelled by the government. This country is sat on a golden egg it refuses to acknowledge.

 

[Jacob]

The natural resources in Canada which our PM is determined to kill off.

What are they?*
How would developing them help the less well off unable to pay for health care and insurance? Would you channel profits to them somehow, and make them all better off?
*PS just checked - carbon tax! Seems like a very good idea. https://www.theguardian.com/environ...elps-save-the-planet-but-now-it-faces-the-axe
In fact carbon taxes should have been in place everywhere for years many now. Increasing year by year and winding down fossil fuel use by market pressure, investing in alternatives and public services instead.
PPS seen your edited post. Oil! Strictly untouchable as we all know.