Postmen.

[BradNaylor]

It is a relic of a bygone age.

And much used by courts, local authorities, legal depts, tax offices, etc etc.

Roy.

So let them fund it.

 

[Digit]

That would be the tax payer in most cases wouldn't it?

Roy.

 

[filsgreen]

Even so, it still doesn't justify keeping the entire infrastructure of the Royal Mail in place.

It is a relic of a bygone age.

What happen when we have a power cut, how are you going to send your e-mails then?

Your argument sums up the attitude of "I'm alright Jack!" First you say that the Postmen should not strike for better pay and conditions and further reductions in services. Then you have a go at people who cannot use e-mail. just because you are happy with your work/pay conditions and can use a computer, it doesn't mean everyone else is, or is IT savvy.

I don't know why I need to say this but I will. If our forefathers did not go on strike we would not have half the pay and conditions we have now. E-mails are too impersonal when it comes to birthday cards and the like, also how do you send out bills to clients who haven't got computers?

Oh sod it Brad, your comments fall down on so many levels it's unreal.

Phil

 

[Digit]

Having been an exec in industry in the 70/80s I experienced the problems of union power. As an ex shop steward as well I have seen both sides, it wasn't that the unions were too powerful, it was simply bloody minded union officials!
It's exactly the same with any form of authority, somebody will abuse it.
But I have to agree with Phil in an overall view, though some officials, 'Red Robbo' was an example, (wonder what happened to him?) were power mad, without trade's Unions the 'Robber Barons' would still be wielding the big stick where they could.
I have seen some shocking management and some diabolical shop stewards in my time,.... and some damned good one as well!

Roy.

 

[big soft moose]

Even so, it still doesn't justify keeping the entire infrastructure of the Royal Mail in place.

It is a relic of a bygone age.

What happen when we have a power cut, how are you going to send your e-mails then?

Your argument sums up the attitude of "I'm alright Jack!" First you say that the Postmen should not strike for better pay and conditions and further reductions in services. Then you have a go at people who cannot use e-mail. just because you are happy with your work/pay conditions and can use a computer, it doesn't mean everyone else is, or is IT savvy.

I don't know why I need to say this but I will. If our forefathers did not go on strike we would not have half the pay and conditions we have now. E-mails are too impersonal when it comes to birthday cards and the like, also how do you send out bills to clients who haven't got computers?

Oh sod it Brad, your comments fall down on so many levels it's unreal.

Phil

brad works for himself tho - so going on strike for better t&c would be an alien concept to him.

thing is with the post strike tho is that they dont need better pay and conditions , they earn a sight more than the national average, dont work an eight hour day in most cases, and as to walking for three and half hours i cant remember the last time i saw one walkiing ours drives and general leaves his van double parked and sod the inconvenience to everyone else.

all striking will get them is a loss of public sympathy

 

[BradNaylor]

Even so, it still doesn't justify keeping the entire infrastructure of the Royal Mail in place.

It is a relic of a bygone age.

What happen when we have a power cut, how are you going to send your e-mails then?

Your argument sums up the attitude of "I'm alright Jack!" First you say that the Postmen should not strike for better pay and conditions and further reductions in services. Then you have a go at people who cannot use e-mail. just because you are happy with your work/pay conditions and can use a computer, it doesn't mean everyone else is, or is IT savvy.

I don't know why I need to say this but I will. If our forefathers did not go on strike we would not have half the pay and conditions we have now. E-mails are too impersonal when it comes to birthday cards and the like, also how do you send out bills to clients who haven't got computers? Oh sod it Brad, your comments fall down on so many levels it's unreal.

Phil

Ok then, so keep a service that is not attracting enough revenue in order to support itself. Maintain a vast infrastucture that was designed to cope with a level of work before personal computers became universal and that is declining year after year.

Just don't expect non-users to pay for it. If the price of sending a letter was raised to a more realistic level - say £1.00 - then perhaps the Royal Mail would be able to fund it's own activities properly.

Except that then the number of letters sent really would drop off a cliff!

The simple fact is that postal services around the world are in terminal decline as faster, more efficient, and far cheaper alternatives such as email and internet banking become the norm for everyone.

My point is that the postmen striking will achieve nothing but the acceleration of their own demise. They have no power or leverage because ultimately we don't really need them any more!

I'm not having a 'go' at anyone - postmen or elderly people whose kids are too selfish to have bought them a laptop and shown them how to use it.

I am simply pointing out a reality that isn't going to change any time soon.


PS If the postmen wanted to take really effective action and retain the goodwill of the people they would simply refuse en-masse to deliver any TNT mail or junk.

 

[jedmc571]

It appears both Amazon and Argos have pulled the plug and gone to a competitor !
They need to guarantee their "Parcel" deliveries :wink:

I understand, Nurses and Firemen doing it, they deserve more, I couldn't do it in the RAF, and we got nothing for what was expected of us, yet a postman does :twisted:

Get some new trainers postie, and stop driving round my estate like a f*****g chav so you can knock off early...............Nuff said !

I just finished a 12 hour shift and I'm a***d off.

Good day :lol:

 

[Digit]

Fair enough Brad, but explain this point to me.
If I break a speed limit I receive a fine through the post.
If I fail to pay my Council Tax in time I receive a letter, through the post.
If the IRS want to deal with me I get a letter through the postal service.
If my pension alters I get a report, through the post!
Whilst fully accepting your argument about the PO's financial difficulties, (caused by the Tory government and the EU), how would you deal with the situations I listed above, 'cos not every elderly person's kids have bought them a lap top.

Roy.