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Vulcan

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The microbiome of the cow is without doubt one of the most truly amazing examples of natures perfections. It possesses the ability to convert low quality vegetation, via the microbial process, into meat and milk of superior nutritious value. Furthermore its’ waste products serve to nourish the soil and sustain local ecology.
I despair at these nouveau scientists, who are reductionist in their thought process, and, who foolishly believe they can ‘tamper’ with the fragilities of nature, and expect positive outcomes.
In my lifetimes experience as a farmer I have learnt one thing, and that is, you cannot cheat nature without dire consequence.
By chemically altering the microbiota of the cow, this, will in turn have a negative influence on the animals immune system, bearing in mind 70 per cent of the immune system comes from the gut. If we consider epigenetic changes further down the line, and its influence on the entire food chain, then the consequences to humans are limitless and unthinkable.
When these agendas are forced upon us with such vigour, then it only serves to arouse suspicion, and begs to ask the question, why?
If you ‘follow the science,’ eventually the trail tends to go cold, then you pick up a new trail and arrive at that destination which starts and ends with money, power, and control of the human population.
Before being swept along with the latest media pedalled campaigns, please consider these powerful agendas very carefully, allow common sense to prevail and put your trust in the ancient ways of mother nature.
 
Is this Bovaer (sp)? Starting to see a lot of pushback in FB from smaller farms and consumers. Seems Arla are involved so not sure how we avoid this stuff in the supermarkets
 
I'm not sure why Arla should have thought this was a worthwhile pursuit. It is said that the chemicals used don;t cross over into the milk but are broken down in the gut. However this must be based on the assumption that the gut is working properly at all times.

I don't like the Idea of Propylene Glycol being fed to cows, just so we can be assured that the cows aren't farting as much methane. If one feels so strongly about the issue, then the obvious solution is to eat less dairy, rather than interfere unnecessarily with nature.

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I believe Arla held an emergency meeting about the backlash.If the supermarkets become nervous about their sales we could well see them abandoning the idea altogether. We as a family are already looking at alternatives for our milk supply. And will not be purchasing products from companies being supplied by Arla.
 
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not sure how we avoid this stuff in the supermarkets
You can avoid said milk products in the supermarket, or go to a smaller outfit who produce/ sell whole organic milk.

I was talking to a volume egg producer a while back. He admired my physique and asked how I maintained it.

I replied that I ate organic veg, whole milk, free range eggs, and organic red meat.

His question was, "isn't that expensive?" to which I replied "Do you put the cheapest oil you can get in that tractor over there?"

He said "No I use the good stuff"

My point was, shouldn't you treat yourself at least as well as your tractor?

BTW.
As for my physique, I'm no Adonis but I don't have a big belly.:)
 
It's being fed to us already as an additive in processed foods.
I believe it is commonplace enough to have its own E number.Apparently, it is also used in a lot of drug preparations - both those administered by injection and orally.
At certain levels, it is understood to have an effect on male fertility I haven't been able to find out how this was discovered. Although they do use copious amounts to de-ice aircraft. So, this could possibly be the route
 
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I'm not sure why Arla should have thought this was a worthwhile pursuit. It is said that the chemicals used don;t cross over into the milk but are broken down in the gut. However this must be based on the assumption that the gut is working properly at all times.

I don't like the Idea of Propylene Glycol being fed to cows, just so we can be assured that the cows aren't farting as much methane. If one feels so strongly about the issue, then the obvious solution is to eat less dairy, rather than interfere unnecessarily with nature.

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I believe Arla held an emergency meeting about the backlash.If the supermarkets become nervous about their sales we could well see them abandoning the idea altogether. We as a family are already looking at alternatives for our milk supply. And will not be purchasing products from companies being supplied by Arla.
We use a local dairy. I have met the cows…
 
We use a local dairy. I have met the cows.
The trouble is , it is the ancillary products like yoghurt and cheese that will prove more difficult to obtain., As Arla supplies many other dairy businesses with milk , it is going to be quite complicated working out which products to trust.
 
Glycol has been used for many years as antifreeze in aero piston engines.
It is in all your car and truck engines, in fact pretty much all liquid cooled internal combustion engines. Don't drain it onto the ground or leave it in an open container. It tastes sweet and your pets and wild animals nearby will drink it, often killing them.

Last month we bought a steer and if was killed, hung to age and custom cut for us. 700lb+ of delicious organic beef for less than the cost of hamburger at the local supermarket. Got the organs for the dogs and the bones cut up for soup making too.

Industrial agriculture and food production is bad for everything.

Worried about the planet. Have only one kid and the destruction by over use of it by ourselves is solved without a massive war, famine or disease happening.

Pete
 
The trouble is , it is the ancillary products like yoghurt and cheese that will prove more difficult to obtain., As Arla supplies many other dairy businesses with milk , it is going to be quite complicated working out which products to trust.
Agreed. At the moment though these chemicals have not been approved by the Soil Association so buying Organic products should be ok. Worth keeping an eye on though.
Another thought is Goats Milk, but I believe these chemicals can be put in their feed as well?! ☹️
 
Thanks for the alert. It is more than 'just' propylene glycol.

"The methane supplement is made of silicon dioxide, propylene glycol and the organic compound 3-nitrooxypropanol (known as 3-NOP)."

And you can avoid 'contaminated' products:

"Meanwhile, several other large UK-based dairy companies, including Yeo Valley Organic and local organic dairies, were quick to confirm that they don’t use the methane additive."

Both quotes from https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddr...at-s-taking-social-media-by-storm/ar-AA1vcJ4d
 
Thanks for the alert. It is more than 'just' propylene glycol.

"The methane supplement is made of silicon dioxide, propylene glycol and the organic compound 3-nitrooxypropanol (known as 3-NOP)."

And you can avoid 'contaminated' products:

"Meanwhile, several other large UK-based dairy companies, including Yeo Valley Organic and local organic dairies, were quick to confirm that they don’t use the methane additive."

Both quotes from https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddr...at-s-taking-social-media-by-storm/ar-AA1vcJ4d
Yeo valley have products manufactured for them by Arla. Yeo are refusing to say which ones.
 
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Yeo valley have products manufactured for them by Arla. Yeo are refusing to say which ones.
I don’t think that is correct.

“Yeo Valley Organic does not allow feed additives for the reduction of methane within our supply chain.“

“In relation to Bovaer, the Soil Association has stated that the main components that make up Bovaer are not included in the list of approved products/compounds and as a result, Bovaer would not be permitted for use in organic farming, for all organic products.”

Both quotes from:
https://help.yeovalley.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/23333562847389-Does-Yeo-Valley-use-feed-additives
 
Accepting the additives reduce methane from cows leaves me with a few questions:
  1. does the additive reduce total burping and f*rting
  2. or does it simply ensure the gut produces other gases - if so which
  3. would these other gases have a climate change impact
  4. does the additive alter the cow dung
  5. what gases might the cow dung produce as it decomposes
  6. or does cow dung get converted to biogas and then burnt for energy
  7. what gases are emitted as biogas is burnt - CO2 and H2O???
I ask these questions as (nuclear fusion/fission aside) the molecules in the feed eaten by cows are not changed by eating and digestion etc, they are merely be combined in different ways to make different compounds and gases.

Focussing only on cow burps etc if but half the story!!
 
I don’t think that is correct.

“Yeo Valley Organic does not allow feed additives for the reduction of methane within our supply chain.“

“In relation to Bovaer, the Soil Association has stated that the main components that make up Bovaer are not included in the list of approved products/compounds and as a result, Bovaer would not be permitted for use in organic farming, for all organic products.”

Both quotes from:
https://help.yeovalley.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/23333562847389-Does-Yeo-Valley-use-feed-additives
Check out Yeo valley on Facebook. Big backlash going on.
 
Check out Yeo valley on Facebook. Big backlash going on.
I don’t do Facebook anymore. I found it a very poor source of information. The facts are more important to me.

Any product carrying the Soil Association organic logo has to meet their standards. Bovaer does not meet their standards and so products with their logo should not contain Bovaer.

https://www.soilassociation.org/new...sponse-to-questions-about-bovaer-and-organic/

Yeo Valley have stated clearly on their website that their products do not contain Bovaer. Their products (the ones we use) carry the soil association symbol and so are audited by the Soil Association. .

I think that this is a more reliable source than facebook.
 
I don’t do Facebook anymore. I found it a very poor source of information. The facts are more important to me.

Any product carrying the Soil Association organic logo has to meet their standards. Bovaer does not meet their standards and so products with their logo should not contain Bovaer.

https://www.soilassociation.org/new...sponse-to-questions-about-bovaer-and-organic/

Yeo Valley have stated clearly on their website that their products do not contain Bovaer. Their products (the ones we use) carry the soil association symbol and so are audited by the Soil Association. .

I think that this is a more reliable source than facebook.
The issue is people have found out that Arla manufactures products for Yeo and Yeo will not provide any information about which products it is.
 
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