So back to the OP’s question
tobytools":202mjqo4 said:
Nobody ever talks about the no10 carriage makers plane. Out of Record and Stanley what in you opinion is a better user? ... Any info appreciated
Toby
According to Patrick Leach (Blood and Gore), Stanley introduced it’s second frog design across it’s range of bench planes about 1874.
This design is simply a broad and flat rectangular area that is machined on the bottom casting. This machined area is rather low, and has two holes that receive the screws which are used to secure the frog in place.
Likewise, the bottom of the frog is machined flat to fit onto the bottom casting. This method of securing the frog was sound and it worked well, but the amount of machining, after the parts were cast, certainly made production more costly and slow, and they eventually cast two grooves into the main casting's frog receiver (ca. 1888) in order to reduce the area that had to be machined.
They changed to their third design in 1902
Under the new design, the frog receiver (on the bottom casting) is made up of a cross rib, a center rib, and two large screw bosses that flank each side of the center rib. The leading edge of the frog itself has a support directly behind the mouth to offer a solid base as a measure to reduce chattering.
This is the design (along with the fourth version) that nearly all Bailey clones are made to, and the one I personally think of as the “Bailey” style of frog mounting (although I guess all four designs qualify).
Anyhoo, Stanley didn’t apply this third (nor fourth) design to the No.1, No.2, No.10, No.10¼ nor No.10½ planes. These retained the second design to the end of production.
Interestingly (well, to me anyway) when Stanley UK took over JA Chapman Ltd and begain producing planes in Britain – with the fourth design of frog – the No.10 and No.10 ½ UK rabbets retained the second design of frog.
I though this rather odd, but then it occurred to me that the Chapman “Acorn” branded planes also had the Stanley second design.
I don’t know if Acorn produced a No.3 sized plane, so I guess they were producing
Design 2 frogs, in 1¾”, 2” and 2⅜” widths, alongside each other, the former for Stanley rabbets and the latter for Acorns.
Back to the narrative: When Record introduced their line of bench planes in 1931 they copied the Stanley planes of the day (USA type #14 or #15) right down to the (by then) non-standard screw threads. However, when they added No.s 010 and 010 ½ rabbets in 1938, they used stock standard No.03 frogs, complete with frog adjuster :!:
Go figure. #-o
Cheers, Vann.
