No Fault Evictions

[John Brown]

This did catch my eye:


In its current state it is completely incompetent, run by incompetents and done by incompetents.

To quantify my statement, pal of mine, a car salesman by trade if that is a trade, went on a 1 week course to "qualify" to do them:

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And ironically when the Home information packs were introduced, years ago, cut and paste the last part of the above sentence.

Whatever I may think about the rest of this thread, I have to say that I agree that the EPC assessors are variable, to put it politely. You can get surprisingly different assessments from different operatives, and the assessments do not seem to be remotely scientific.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

This did catch my eye:


In its current state it is completely incompetent, run by incompetents and done by incompetents.

To quantify my statement, pal of mine, a car salesman by trade if that is a trade, went on a 1 week course to "qualify" to do them:

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And ironically when the Home information packs were introduced, years ago, cut and paste the last part of the above sentence.

Run by incompetents? Mine said I could jump from a D to a C by changing to low energy lightbulbs - there was one lamp in the whole place that wasn't low energy. He managed to miss 20 square yards of single sblock wall that should have cavity by regs. when built, though. He did make some recommenadations for improvements, though - that would take 125 years to pay back.

 

[HOJ]

My Mum's 20 year old Bung in North Norfolk was given a D, with the recommendation that adopting the following would change it to a B:



That would only be, by my poor math reckoning, 35 years to pay back, she's 91, and it had the first 3 items already, which somehow was missed in the 20 minutes it took to do the assessment.

 

[Yorkieguy]

I bet Microband is peed off at his place in the scheme of things.

This letter in The Times is worth a read.

It refers to when Rishi Sunak was Chancellor, and given a 'freebie' case of wine, and how he responded to the 'gift'.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

We had a couple of firms here doing the rounds of insulating the roofs of pensioners, people on benefits etc. free. I had had mine done as it was deemed sub standard - it 6"- 8". I found it rather sad that instead of rolling the new stuff over it to bump up the depth, they stripped everything out, threw it away and started from scratch. A diffferent firm did my neighbour's. They didn't take the old stuff out they just topped it up ............... except they rolled the new stuff over everything she had stored in loft.

 

[Jacob]

Whatever I may think about the rest of this thread, I have to say that I agree that the EPC assessors are variable, to put it politely. You can get surprisingly different assessments from different operatives, and the assessments do not seem to be remotely scientific.

We had our last building done (converted chapel) by the delegated local chap (random choice, not ours) and he turned out to be a well qualified and experienced building surveyor with a proactive interest in the whole issue. He looked very closely at all sorts of things, asked me a lot of questions about the conversion, looked closely at photos of work in progress etc.
100% professional job. We got C.
If they are not up to the job I blame the employers (the government).
The idea is obviously a very good one and we'll have to hope it improves and develops.
Must not allow the moaning un-wokerati to run it into the ground, as they try to do with so many things.

 

[Jacob]

But its socialism that allows and enables people to milk the system.

What a weird thing to say! Completely upside down!
The whole point of your brexit, de-regulation, neo liberalism, market economy, conservatism, de-regulation, right wingism, capitalism, whatever you want to call it, is to allow people/businesses to "milk" the system!!!
Everybody knows this - it's the whole pineapple ing point!
Right wing ideology says it will all work out for the best in the end.
Marie Buchan might even be a diehard tory, simply following the herd and exploiting every advantage without actually breaking the law - like tax avoidance instead of evasion, but the other way around. But I wouldn't want to insult her.
The whole point of socialism in it's many forms and varieties is to control free-market "milking the system"- for the benefit of the many, not the few. Driven by practical necessity not ideology.

 

[Scruples]

How do we know what the numbers and reasons are?

Well, there's the fact that we are talking about benefit misuse, and the other fact that Starmer is, he says, going to clamp down on benefit cheats which indicates that there's a problem.
No government will ever eliminate benefit fraud but they cound keep it down to a level that doesn't affect the coffers too much.

There are people with very minor ailment who amplify them to obtain benefits. That includes a disproportionate amount of obese people. Hence the term, fat and lazy.
There are career cheats who were brought up in famailes that cheated the system.
There are those who just want more than they are capable of earning and seek a little extra.
There are also people who do work but always for cash sos as to avoid paying taxes. These may be inclusive of any one of the above. It gives some, in power, the argument for cashless societies.

 

[Scruples]

We had our last building done (converted chapel) by the delegated local chap (random choice, not ours) and he turned out to be a well qualified and experienced building surveyor with a proactive interest in the whole issue. He looked very closely at all sorts of things, asked me a lot of questions about the conversion, looked closely at photos of work in progress etc.
100% professional job. We got C.
If they are not up to the job I blame the employers (the government).
The idea is obviously a very good one and we'll have to hope it improves and develops.
Must not allow the moaning un-wokerati to run it into the ground, as they do with so many things.

Interesing comment, Jacob. But, I would say that no individual is going to start tearing into tradesmen while carrying out an inspection unless he's bigger than any of them. That would be fraught with dangers, mostly physically but certainly confrontational.

There is a possibility, of course, that the work wasn't as good as you thought it was. Pride, after all, is a strong emotion.

 

[John Hughes01]

I have seen forms of society as developing situations. The ideal of communism is great if we all have nothing and there are loads of ignorant peasants to comply - the people living in that social system have all to be the same in terms of possessions and wealth. This,of course,cannot be sustained for long as some will be brighter and find education and wealth. ie. social systems will inevitably develop and transform into something "better". How can you can have the richest people in the world in your social system and still call yourselt communist. How can yo claim to be truly socialist and yet delve into capital money? There is nothing wrong with saving for a rainy day as the Bible says so a three tier capital social system is always going to happen eventually - if you visit St Petresburg you will see a very happy capitalist system with the roads blocked with Mercs,BMs etc. Our guide happily reminded us that less than five years earlier they were on a five year waiting list for a Lada!

 

[Jacob]

Interesing comment, Jacob. But, I would say that no individual is going to start tearing into tradesmen while carrying out an inspection unless he's bigger than any of them. That would be fraught with dangers, mostly physically but certainly confrontational.

There is a possibility, of course, that the work wasn't as good as you thought it was. Pride, after all, is a strong emotion.

Oh yes of course! He thought I might attack him with a mallet or something?
What a very daft idea!
We probably gave him a cup of tea but I don't think that would have influenced him. More likely it was the vast amount of insulation we had installed, visible in many parts, photographed when work was in progress etc etc.

 

[Jacob]

I have seen forms of society as developing situations. The ideal of communism is great if we all have nothing and there are loads of ignorant peasants to comply - the people living in that social system have all to be the same in terms of possessions and wealth. This,of course,cannot be sustained for long as some will be brighter and find education and wealth. ie. social systems will inevitably develop and transform into something "better". How can you can have the richest people in the world in your social system and still call yourselt communist. How can yo claim to be truly socialist and yet delve into capital money? There is nothing wrong with saving for a rainy day as the Bible says so a three tier capital social system is always going to happen eventually - if you visit St Petresburg you will see a very happy capitalist system with the roads blocked with Mercs,BMs etc. Our guide happily reminded us that less than five years earlier they were on a five year waiting list for a Lada!

Not sure what you are talking about.
In Britain, most of Europe and many other places, we all have in place a civilised form of socialism, with extensive welfare provision and other state services, including nationalised industries and also support for the private sector. It's normal, involves high taxation given back as state spending, and is regulated ultimately by the ballot box and universal suffrage.
Communism is another thing, though you could say it has always been alive and well in smaller groups such the family itself.

 

[Jacob]

Spongers who scrounge of others are everywhere. Those at the bottom of the heap will look at those at the top and think 'If they do it, why shouldn't I. It's just different pockets they dip into. No shortage of 'role models' to follow. Smiling, smirking or laughing out loud?:
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I agree. Lobbying should be stopped entirely. There are some very dodgy characters behind it, pushing their own agendas.

 

[Jacob]

Well, there's the fact that we are talking about benefit misuse,

Has she broken the law? Not as far as we know. She's merely doing what tax avoiders do quite legally, but with benefits instead. Good luck to the daft woman.
Why does nobody think the father of these children has any responsibility?

 

[ey_tony]

Well, there's the fact that we are talking about benefit misuse, and the other fact that Starmer is, he says, going to clamp down on benefit cheats which indicates that there's a problem.
No government will ever eliminate benefit fraud but they cound keep it down to a level that doesn't affect the coffers too much.

There are people with very minor ailment who amplify them to obtain benefits. That includes a disproportionate amount of obese people. Hence the term, fat and lazy.
There are career cheats who were brought up in famailes that cheated the system.
There are those who just want more than they are capable of earning and seek a little extra.
There are also people who do work but always for cash sos as to avoid paying taxes. These may be inclusive of any one of the above. It gives some, in power, the argument for cashless societies.

My other half's sister is officially registered blind because her eyesight is so poor and could receive all kinds of benefits without having to work but she has been to university, gained a law degree and is a fully qualified solicitor in London and commutes daily across the city and holds down a full time job while these other bags of dung sponge from the taxpayers.

My OH, a social worker deals with sponging and dysfunctional people on a daily basis. With the exception of maybe mental health issues the majority she deals with are the sponging dregs of society. A dysfunctional family can cost upward of £1m per year to service so this where your taxes go!

When people say we're all equal...sorry but we're not!
I wouldn't sponge off society instead of working for a living nor would I physically and mentally abuse my children even to the point where I'd sell them to others for *** so that I can buy drugs. Most people have no idea of just how bad some parents are or prevalent the issues are.

I'm afraid these people are not like me nor will they ever be the same as me and I don't want to be associated with them, so all this nonsense about us all being equal is just that. If that offends the woke among us then tough.

The social benefit system needs re-setting and the spongers weeded out. If they refuse to work or can't be bothered then give them basic benefits but make them attend social centres at least 5 days a week to earn their parasitic wages. I'd wager that malingering would soon decline if they had to get out of bed and attend centres every day for training or doing work for the community they're sponging off. It would also create real jobs monitoring those who did and didn't attend.

Until benefits are reduced so that the recipients can barely manage to live on them, then benefit fraud will never be reduced.
Benefits should not be a lifestyle choice and unless it can be proven that the recipients have genuine physical or mental health issues preventing them from earning a living or because of circumstances beyond their control such as care for the young or elderly then they will need to do some form of work to earn their benefits.

 

[ey_tony]

Has she broken the law? Not as far as we know. She's merely doing what tax avoiders do quite legally, but with benefits instead. Good luck to the daft woman.
Why does nobody think the father of these children has any responsibility?

If someone can afford breast augmentation or owning a horse whilst receiving benefits then the fault is with the benefits system for paying her so much.
People like her with no principle will keep taking as long as they are given it and this again is where socialism fails..

Benefits are or should be a safety net and nothing more and only for those who have fallen on hard times, perhaps through personal circumstance or cannot work because of mental or physical handicap. Once you have a system where people can choose to live on benefits because they are better off than working then it's time to change the system so they aren't...it's as simple as that!

 

[AJB Temple]

Jacob, I know you just enjoy the discourse, but I think in all honesty you have defined your own version of socialism that differs from how others see it. It's a bit like two people having a debate, each in a different language, where neither understands the other. Amusing to watch but ultimately unhelpful.

You are much older than me, and maybe have developed more tolerance of the people who make little or no contribution to society, whether by laziness or lack of ability. But I think we are both old enough to know that any system with millions of people in it is never going to agree on the universal application of some label.

 

[AJB Temple]

...... Once you have a system where people can choose to live on benefits because they are better off than working then it's time to change the system so they aren't...it's as simple as that!

I think the rider to that must be that employment opportunities need to be available. In many places they are limited. Employers can pick and choose in such places and will choose the best. It is not realistic for everyone to move to where jobs are.

 

[John Brown]

We had a couple of firms here doing the rounds of insulating the roofs of pensioners, people on benefits etc. free. I had had mine done as it was deemed sub standard - it 6"- 8". I found it rather sad that instead of rolling the new stuff over it to bump up the depth, they stripped everything out, threw it away and started from scratch. A diffferent firm did my neighbour's. They didn't take the old stuff out they just topped it up ............... except they rolled the new stuff over everything she had stored in loft.

Sounds like a rum story to me.
Are you sure that your neighbour wasn't required to clear her loft out prior to the insulation firm's visit?

 

[John Brown]

If someone can afford breast augmentation or owning a horse whilst receiving benefits then the fault is with the benefits system for paying her so much.
People like her with no principle will keep taking as long as they are given it and this again is where socialism fails..

Benefits are or should be a safety net and nothing more and only for those who have fallen on hard times, perhaps through personal circumstance or cannot work because of mental or physical handicap. Once you have a system where people can choose to live on benefits because they are better off than working then it's time to change the system so they aren't...it's as simple as that!

I think it's just the law of unintended consequences. There needs to be a safety net for those who fall through the cracks, and there will always be some who take advantage. In all walks if life we encounter inconveniences, such as how difficult it can be to access one's own money, or not being allowed to carry Stanley knives on aeroplanes. The systems are intended to confound money launderers or terrorists, but we're all affected by these constraints.
Health and safety is another favourite gripe, why do we have to wear hard hats/use push sticks/ read warnings that coffee may be hot, just to protect a few simpletons? Maybe we should all just give up, and let the weak and stupid members of society go to the wall.