No Fault Evictions

[Chris152]

As someone who has had need of the NHS over the past 10 years, if I was asked to rate my experiences out of ten I would definitely struggle to give it more than 3 out of ten and that would be being very kind.
To say there has been a litany of blunders and shoddy service would be an understatement. Absolutely shocking. My GPs have been far more help to me than the so called 'hospital specialists' but even the GPs are not exactly covered in glory.

As far as my experiences go, the sooner the NHS is restructured the better because as far as I'm concerned it's utter rubbish and has failed me personally miserably.

...and please don't give me all the emotive guff about the staff. As an organisation it's not fit for purpose and should be replaced with something that actually functions properly.

Aye, it's in a terrible old state. I waited three months for my treatment to start, should have been maximum of 62 days. Lumps popping up all over the shop. I blame government for failing to commit properly to a national health service, and people supporting such government so they could keep taxes low and surround themselves with all kinds of carp they don't need. As for emotive guff about the staff, I guess you're one of the strong, silent types who feels nowt. A real man's man.

 

[Billy_wizz]

Really? Would fewer resources be more effective? Seems unlikely.

Very weird how so many line up to protect the mega rich! Why is this?
I guess it's just old fashioned conservatism; change is bad, best to leave things as they are, as change would likely make them worse. Plus reliance on the childish trickle-down theory.

It's more that most of us understand that saying it is easy doing it is exponentially more difficult! It's all very well saying give HMRC more resources but unless you're prepared to give people 20-30%of the extra revenue they bring in your still not going to get the top 10% that will be needed to compete against the people working for the very rich!

 

[John Brown]

It is not the forums but people, there are people who for whatever reason are like antenna that just pick up offense often from nothing and then turn it into a targeted offence on them. Some actually go looking for it so they have some excuse for there problems because these days all problems are someone elses fault and many really should look in a mirror to find the root cause of there issues.

@Jacob you should hope no doctors or nurses read your post because you are getting to the age where you have a higher probability of needing there services and nurses might just get there own back by swapping out the Andrex for P80 grit when doing a cleanup job !

Which post of Jacob's are you referring to?

 

[ey_tony]

Aye, it's in a terrible old state. I waited three months for my treatment to start, should have been maximum of 62 days. Lumps popping up all over the shop. I blame government for failing to commit properly to a national health service, and people supporting such government so they could keep taxes low and surround themselves with all kinds of carp they don't need. As for emotive guff about the staff, I guess you're one of the strong, silent types who feels nowt. A real man's man.

I don't know about being a man's man, I'm definitely far from it I just don't attribute any emotional value to people being adequately reimbursed for the job they do.
It's a job and they do it! That's what they're paid for. It's secure for virtually their working life with promotional opportunities unlike many private sector jobs so no, I don't see why we should praise them for doing what they're paid to do.

 

[Chris152]

I don't know about being a man's man, I'm definitely far from it I just don't attribute any emotional value to people being adequately reimbursed for the job they do.
It's a job and they do it! That's what they're paid for. It's secure for virtually their working life with promotional opportunities unlike many private sector jobs so no, I don't see why we should praise them for doing what they're paid to do.

You seem to see everything through the prism of money. That's pretty tragic.

 

[AJB Temple]

A close friend of mine is a GP. having stepped back from being an NHS hospital consultant. She deals with the household, kids, husband and patients very efficiently in my view But she despairs about the fragmentation and checklist approach in the NHS. She thinks privately that the immense skill and intuition of good doctors is not trusted and the bureaucracy is insane. It forces unnecessary referrals. But she says most doctors have given up fighting the system. Were she to be a young doctor again she is adamant that she would emigrate. As it is she will retire early. In her view the NHS is led by administrators who regard doctors as a nuisance, what with their desire to treat patients properly!

 

[AJB Temple]

You seem to see everything through the prism of money. That's pretty tragic.

That seems unfair and unwarranted. It is logical to think that if your income is taxed to pay for a service, then it is reasonable to expect the service to be delivered. It is equally reasonable for you or anyone else to praise medical staff for their commitment if you wish. We should be able to express a range of opinions without the need to snarky attacks on each other. Lets try to be nice

 

[Chris152]

That seems unfair and unwarranted. It is logical to think that if your income is taxed to pay for a service, then it is reasonable to expect the service to be delivered. It is equally reasonable for you or anyone else to praise medical staff for their commitment if you wish. We should be able to express a range of opinions without the need to snarky attacks on each other. Lets try to be nice

I don't think my comment's remotely snarky - Terry writes of 'emotional guff' about the work nurses and doctors do, and for many of us there is a clear emotional content in relation to our and our loved ones' health. He reduces their work to being 'adequately reimbursed for the job they do' and overlooks that many such people live on lower incomes in order to help others - what they lose in monetary terms, they reap in other ways. Those ways involve feelings, emotions - not accounted for in terms of wages.

ps - And I think you're right, it's quite reasonable to expect that our taxes are used well, and that we get the service we've paid for.

 

[woodieallen]

I owe the last 1.5 years of my life to the nurses, doctors and staff at the hospital I attend.

Suggesting emotions are irrelevant is daft. We prioritise according to our emotions as well as our reason. Both are necessary.

eta - a purely rational answer to the problems of the NHS might be to euthanase everyone over, say, 50. I guess it'd solve a lot of other problems, too.

Like reduce the number of

Aye, it's in a terrible old state. I waited three months for my treatment to start, should have been maximum of 62 days. Lumps popping up all over the shop. I blame government for failing to commit properly to a national health service, and people supporting such government so they could keep taxes low and surround themselves with all kinds of carp they don't need. As for emotive guff about the staff, I guess you're one of the strong, silent types who feels nowt. A real man's man.

Three months ? Three months ??? I was referred for a hearing test in April. Looks like it will be Feb 2025 before I get one. And before anyone says....Go to Boots...it is simply a diagnostic ....you still have to wait eons to see a consultant. There has been a paradigm shift and that is Covid.

 

[Spectric]

Which post of Jacob's are you referring to?

1149

 

[John Brown]

1149

I see. Maybe your irony detector is broken.

 

[Jacob]

I see. Maybe your irony detector is broken.

Not at all, I didn't think so anyway.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

A few weeks ago I needed to take some antibiotics - on this occasion they did not work.

After an unpleasant few days over the weekend I requested a GP appointment at 9.15 Monday morning. Appointment 10.00 - GP suggested he refer me to the local hospital. 10.30 driving home I get a call from the consultant to whom I was referred. Saw consultant at 12.00.

Quite outstanding - in fact I think all my interactions with the NHS, of which there have been many over the years, score highly.

Most staff do the job for a sense of purpose or satisfaction, not the money. They need to be reasonably rewarded not exploited for their "devotion" to duty. Failure to pay them properly is a demotivator - it is in all our interests that the NHS retains qualified decent staff.

My perception is that the NHS culture is very resistant to change. The rhetoric that "the NHS is the best health service in the world" is no longer true - it produces good outcomes from a budget somewhat smaller than other comparable countries.

The Starmer/Darzi report is right in that radical changes in organisation, priorities and funding are required. Whether they actually deliver or it is just another shake up which inevitably occur every ~10 years or on a new government remains to be seen.

 

[Jacob]

My first hospital excursion 12 years ago was perfect too. Rescued in the snow by ambulance after breaking quadriceps tendons (an extremely painful experience). Rushed off to Derby Royal. Needs an op within 24 hours or problems can follow. Was done following morning. 2 nights in. Slow recovery with leg brace needing checks and readjusting for 6 months at intervals. Text book perfection! Except the food was crap - recently privatised service.
Have had 3 more visits, hernia, hip replacement, lens replacement, all similar high standard, absolutely fault free except for a bit of a waiting list.

 

[Jacob]

That seems unfair and unwarranted. It is logical to think that if your income is taxed to pay for a service, then it is reasonable to expect the service to be delivered.

The fact that you pay taxes makes no difference. The NHS is for all.

 

[ey_tony]

You seem to see everything through the prism of money. That's pretty tragic.

That's not a terribly good argument I'm afraid even though you'd like it to be in order for you to claim the moral high ground.
On the contrary the tragedy is that you can't see that they're doing a job just like anyone else. They do it to keep a roof over their heads..at the end of the day, for them it's also all about money so what is so tragic about that?

 

[Chris152]

On the contrary the tragedy is that you can't see that they're doing a job just like anyone else. They do it to keep a roof over their heads..at the end of the day, for them it's also all about money so what is so tragic about that?

It's the one-dimensional view of what these people do and why they do it that bothers me (coming on the back of Scruples' rather insulting comments about them). My guess is that in reality you see things in a more nuanced way than you're letting on for the sake of argument, but what do I know? As AJB wrote, best try to be nice.

 

[Scruples]

Not my experience at all - maybe it's something to do with you?

No. It's quite common.

 

[woodieallen]

A few weeks ago I needed to take some antibiotics - on this occasion they did not work.

After an unpleasant few days over the weekend I requested a GP appointment at 9.15 Monday morning. Appointment 10.00 - GP suggested he refer me to the local hospital. 10.30 driving home I get a call from the consultant to whom I was referred. Saw consultant at 12.00.

I'm going to move down your way. Just checked online. Next FTF appointment is October - yes, October - 15th.

 

[John Brown]

Like reduce the number of

Three months ? Three months ??? I was referred for a hearing test in April. Looks like it will be Feb 2025 before I get one. And before anyone says....Go to Boots...it is simply a diagnostic ....you still have to wait eons to see a consultant. There has been a paradigm shift and that is Covid.

Half past eight.