"Neuetechnik jigsaw-scrollsaw

[AES]

Good morning Ladies & Gents,

I wonder if anyone has seen this (Youtube):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... yWrSk#t=22

Unfortunately it's all in German but "the pix tell the story" as they say.

The complete "kit" including all 7 gizmos as shown in the film, plus some "jigsaw/scrollsaw" blades (1 each, fine & coarse I think) costs 140 Euros plus delivery, ex Germany (no problem for me here).

I'd be particularly interested to hear from anyone who may have seen and tried one.

It looks like something you see on those daytime TV shopping shows - i.e. either just plain rubbish, or if at all OK and useable, then just being sold at 3 times the price of something you can buy almost anywhere. Or am I just a cynic?

If anyone needs help with the German let me know by all means, but otherwise I'd appreciate all and any comments.

Clearly it is not, and never will be a Hegner. But your opinions as to whether or not this is just an expensive gimmick or maybe a serious tool would be most welcome.

Please note that I currently have a (not very good) cheapo scrollsaw but cannot see how to justify the cost of a Hegner for the (very occasional) wood and metal working that I do that does need a scroll saw. I'm certainly not a "professional" such as Chippygeoff and others who frequent this Forum.

Thanks in advance.

AES

 

[Chippygeoff]

In America this type of tool is quite popular and there are several to choose from. I have not seen this type of tool on sale here in the UK and having watched the video I see very limited use for the scroll saw artist. It would not be capable of fine detail work and on thicker wood you would have a chamfer on a bend. Having said that it would probably be fine for cutting blanks from planks and for some applications if making larger toys, or for the rich man who has everything.

 

[megga]

Looks to me like an over priced bit of cheep rubbish. I would think that the viberation would be very bad at ts best, you have a jig saw hanging from a bit of plastic that just clamps on a bench. In my shed, it would be a dust gather.

 

[AES]

Thanks Chippygeoff. You wrote:

QUOTE:
..... it would probably be fine for cutting blanks from planks and for some applications if making larger toys, or for the rich man who has everything.
UNQUOTE:

Well the first part of that quote fits me fine and well, but just because I live in Switzerland doesn't mean that I fit the 2nd part at all!!! :lol:

Also, you wrote:

QUOTE:
.... and on thicker wood you would have a chamfer on a bend.
UNQUOTE:

Could you expand on that statement please? Surely if one tensioned the blade fully it would stay vertical within the stated 40 mm (about inch & a half) workpiece thickness capacity wouldn't it?

But anyway I suspect that megga is most probably right about "an expensive dust gatherer".

Thanks

AES

 

[martinka]

I can see the first bit being useful for someone like me a couple of years ago whose only woodworking tool was a jigsaw, though no doubt anyone with a bit of woodworking nous could make their own. Then again, if someone were capable of making one, they most likely wouldn't actually need one.

If it cost 20 quid, I'd probably buy one for doing small jobs.

 

[Chippygeoff]

Hi AES. There will always be problems with this sort of gimmick with various applications. If anyone has cut out a worktop to take a sink with a jig saw they will know exactly what I mean when I stated you will get a chamfer on a bend and it would be the same with that tool when cutting wood. I see from the video that the end of the blade goes between 2 guides, these will support the blade to a certain extent but the end of the blade is not fixed in a clamp, like a scroll saw and as a result there will be some play so when cutting thick wood with this type of tool the blade will tend to splay out when going round a bend, what we in the trade call tangential deflection. It is the nature of the blade, when sawing in wood things are fine when going along the grain but when the cut starts to go across the grain the blade with struggle to remain in the vertical, this is one of the reasons that pieces fail to slide both ways when not enough tension is aplied to a scroll saw.

 

[stevebuk]

As geoff has said this machine would serve no purpose to the scroll saw user at all other than cutting blanks..

 

[ChrisR]

Hi AES. There will always be problems with this sort of gimmick with various applications. If anyone has cut out a worktop to take a sink with a jig saw they will know exactly what I mean when I stated you will get a chamfer on a bend and it would be the same with that tool when cutting wood. I see from the video that the end of the blade goes between 2 guides, these will support the blade to a certain extent but the end of the blade is not fixed in a clamp, like a scroll saw and as a result there will be some play so when cutting thick wood with this type of tool the blade will tend to splay out when going round a bend, what we in the trade call tangential deflection. It is the nature of the blade, when sawing in wood things are fine when going along the grain but when the cut starts to go across the grain the blade with struggle to remain in the vertical, this is one of the reasons that pieces fail to slide both ways when not enough tension is aplied to a scroll saw.

Geoff.

I think you have explained the short comings of jigsaws far better than I was going to.

I saw an adaptation/accessory like this for a jigsaw some time ago, it was far better quality than this one, I think it was of all metal construction, and relatively expensive. I thought at the time at least it would ensure that a jigsaw cut straight and at right angles plus avoid what I call blade curl, when cutting anything thicker than approx 15mm, (Re Geoff’s post), but not a the price being asked, just to ensure a straight/vertical cut.

I can’t think were I saw it or what the price was, other than expensive, it was probably on an American web site, as the narration was English.

Take care.

Chris R.

 

[AES]

Chippygeoff & ChrisR, thank you both.

Very clear explanation/s. I was just cutting a piece of quite substantial plastic-coated ply the other day (i.e. trying to cut it!!) and ran into exactly the problem you described. It was for the router cutout for a router table I'm building so not so important as the the cutout for the router plate, but that stated me about thinking on the lines of a support under the blade.

So I started "wandering around the net" and came to that Neuetechnik thing somehow, which I'd never seen before, hence my original post.

I did think the thing was rather expensive and appreciate the additional comments from you "wise ones" :lol:

I wonder if anyone has ever tried one (and if they sell at all come to that)?

Thanks again all.

AES

 

[loftyhermes]

Chris, it might have been the Rockwell BladeRunner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Xz25lmeC0
happy scrolling
Steve

 

[ChrisR]

Chris, it might have been the Rockwell BladeRunner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Xz25lmeC0
happy scrolling
Steve

Steve.

Thanks for that link, interesting tool, but the one I remember used a hand held jigsaw just like the one in the link provided by AES in his original post.

Chris R.