johna.clements
Established Member
Company A, which is in the UK would be taxed by the UK. If Company A is paying a licence for the brand to Company B based in Ireland then Company A would have to pay tax at 10% of £10m or £1m. The location of Company B is irrelevant because it is not taxed.Isn't the problem with it all, that you are taxing in the wrong location...
Company A has outlets making £10m in the UK
Company B is parent company in Ireland where taxes are lower
Company B licences brand to Company A - who are you taxing in the UK?
You don't get to tax Company B who are in Ireland, and you don't get to tax the transaction which takes place in Ireland (or somewhere else in the world depending on the legislative framework of the agreement), so as the UK government, exactly what are you taxing?
The issue with all of these ways of moving the money out of your domain - i.e. in this example, out of the UK is that they are transactions held outside the UK - they are costs on Company A - and you don't get to tax costs!
So, Company A has £9m of costs elsewhere in the world, so now instead of making £10m it is making £1m, and its overheads in the UK are a further £950,000 - so it has only made £50,000 profit in the UK - it won't even be taxed at the higher rate of corporation tax!
Meanwhile £9m has moved to Ireland as valid expenses where it is taxed at 12.5% instead of the soon to be relevant 25% in the UK and the company saves over £1m. The UK has received tax on £50k at 19% which is £9,500.
If the UK instead encouraged those monies to stay in the UK - e.g. they reduced the corporation tax to match Ireland's 12.5%, they would receive tax of £1,131,250 or 120x as much tax
The fundamental flaw is that governments are geographically limited and therefore can not control what happens outside their boundaries.
Companies are not, and so can play games across those boundaries - and it is not possible to stop them without all governments agreeing to do the same - and where is the incentive there for smaller countries like Ireland who can simply choose to opt out and lower rates and make lots of money!
Company A is in the UK.. The money it makes is in the UK. The transaction to transfer the money out of the UK is undertaken by Company A takes place in the UK. The transaction can therefore be taxed in the UK when the transfer takes place.
Why can't you get to tax costs. What do you think VAT is.
Company A should have to demonstrate that the costs are legitimate. If it could not demonstrate that the costs were legitimate then the directors of Company A would be prosecuted for the misuse of Company A funds. Company A would also be liable for the tax it had evaded.
In your example Company A transfers £9m but can not demonstrate that it was the cheapest place to get those services. The UK tax authorities decide that the services were worth £3m therefore Company A is liable for corporation tax on £6m.
The fundemental flaw in your argument is the ability of countries to enact laws to change the tax laws. It is perfecly possible to tax money that was produced in the UK when it is moved.