Minor Disaster

[John. B]

I thought, I wonder if I could emulate one of our better turners.
A Mark Hancock special.
I still can't (yet)
I was doing so well, (I thought) hollowing that difficult bit, you know. The bulge-ing bit when frrrp off it came.
Ha. I thought that's a bit thin :roll:
I I'll make a little strange shaped trinket box








:-k :-k :-k I must get one of those long thin doodads that measure the wall thickness/thin-ness.

John. B

 

[loz]

That is Thin !

Can you clean the break point and ( am i allowed to say this ? ) Glue it ?

Loz

 

[Bodrighy]

I have a box full of little masterpieces just like that . Also got about 1/2 dozen beautiful goblets without stems that I am convinced I will be able to use someday. My heart felt commiserations. Does me good though to see someone else suffers as I do. I am pretty sure that Mark had a few of those oncve upon a time as well.

Pete

 

[TEP]

Been there, done that! Frequently! :lol: :lol:

All part of the learning curve apparently. Good try John.

 

[Mark Hancock]

I am pretty sure that Mark had a few of those oncve upon a time as well.

Pete

Pete

To be honest I don't recall ever having a problem at the turning stage even when I was developing the design and working out the tools and techniques to use. Must have been lucky The problems for me always occurred at the cutting stage but even then most of the mishaps led on to new designs eg the Single Swirl design came from a mishap with a Swirl version. Just remember we don't make c**k ups anymore, they are design opportunities :lol:

John

I couldn't imagine attempting this without calipers

 

[John. B]

Thank you guys for your empathic and sympathetic replies.
It has not put me off pushing the envelope 8) in fact, it has just made me more determined to do things I've never done before

John. B

 

[boysie39]

Thats the first time I can recall you posting something that did'nt go right!!! Which must mean you have something else in your mind for it.
HE never closes one door without opening another.
REgards Boysie.

 

[John. B]

You are correct Eugene.
That is the first time I've posted a failure. To be honest, I think most of us have a failure at one time or other.
I posted it in the hope to encourage people just starting to turn that it's not a set back when something goes wrong, it's just a part of the learning curve that (hopefully) never ends.
I shall make little finial for this one and call it an eastern trinket box :roll:
It's a pity really, It's Elm with nice figuring. I shall take marks advice and get a proper caliper for deep narrow hollowing. :lol:

John. B

 

[Jonzjob]

A pair of the number 1s would be good. If you swing the arms through 180 deg to each other you have a set of 'spectacle calipers'. Just the job cause they then give 'inside/inside' measurement and if it is a narrow hole the straight leg fits a treat.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Axmi ... -29722.htm

 

[Dave Atkinson]

Good to see others have mishaps and it's not just me! I put mine down to being tired and not concentrating - it's a good excuse! :lol:

I've been considering getting some calipers but I've been reading David Ellsworth's book and he uses a bit of bent wire. It looks to me like a wire coat hangar (one of the older more sturdy ones would fit the bill, I guess you could find them in a charity shop if you haven't got one at home). When it's bent to the required shape I think you set the gap to say 1/2" and then you gauge the wall thickness by deducting the gap that's showing on the outside. Apparently it retains its bent shape quite well and you can change it to suit the piece you are making. I hope that makes sense.

I'm going to try it out in the next couple of weeks.

Cheers Dave

 

[Mark Hancock]

A pair of the number 1s would be good. If you swing the arms through 180 deg to each other you have a set of 'spectacle calipers'. Just the job cause they then give 'inside/inside' measurement and if it is a narrow hole the straight leg fits a treat.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Axmi ... -29722.htm

I could never get this type of caliper to work with exagerated rim forms. The ones that I usually recommend are the larger version of these:
http://www.classichandtools.com/acatalog/Calipers___Dividers.html

 

[big soft moose]

Just remember we don't make c**k ups anymore, they are design opportunities :lol:

I have recently made a beautiful spalted beech bowl about 3mm thick designed" not to have a bottom (trying to emulate merrete larson) - giant bangle anyone

although that said I am considering the heresy that loz suggests , and turning a contrasing base and gluing it on.

 

[Bodrighy]

I could never get this type of caliper to work with exagerated rim forms. The ones that I usually recommend are the larger version of these:
http://www.classichandtools.com/acatalog/Calipers___Dividers.html

Oh good, I thought it was just me. :lol: I use my fingers as far as I can reach with my eyes closed. Very scientific innit? Anything longer I tend to go by sound. Needless to say I have experienced a few ventilation holes appearing. Makes it easier to get the dust and shavings out I suppose.

Pete

 

[Jonzjob]

Just remember we don't make c**k ups anymore, they are design opportunities :lol:

I have recently made a beautiful spalted beech bowl about 3mm thick designed" not to have a bottom (trying to emulate merrete larson) - giant bangle anyone

although that said I am considering the heresy that loz suggests , and turning a contrasing base and gluing it on.

One of my 'design oppertunities', a shallow 10" ash bowl, had a peice of elm let into the bottom . I turned a tapered hole to match the 'dovetailed' chuck hold depression, turned a tapered plug to fit so that it still left enough for the chuck to grip, epoxied it in place, mounted it back on the chuck and turned the plug down to the level of the inside of the bowl. The person who bought it said that it was most unusual and that they had never seen anything quite like it before!

Of course I owned up :roll: , oh look, there's another pig just flown past my window?

On another forum one of the signatures is something like
"There is no such thing as an obsticle, just oppertunities.
I think that I have just come across an insurmountable oppertunity?"

Well, it made me laugh!

 

[Mark Hancock]

Just remember we don't make c**k ups anymore, they are design opportunities :lol:

I have recently made a beautiful spalted beech bowl about 3mm thick designed" not to have a bottom (trying to emulate merrete larson) - giant bangle anyone

although that said I am considering the heresy that loz suggests , and turning a contrasing base and gluing it on.

How about a bath plug and chain. Been done before I know but makes a great talking point.

 

[user 5053]

Everyone will have a mishap even if one has been turning for 70 years but they become far more infrequent the more experience one gets. I'm seeing a lot of people trying to run before they can walk trying stuff that is a bit beyond them. It would be better to work on your tool skills and create nice simple objects. I think a lot of the hollow stuff is wood nerd territory to impress other wood nerds but not really practical or commercial or even attractive and elegant most of the time. Design opportunities... what nonsense. Just chuck your accidents in the fire and start again.

 

[Mark Hancock]

Everyone will have a mishap even if one has been turning for 70 years but they become far more infrequent the more experience one gets. I'm seeing a lot of people trying to run before they can walk trying stuff that is a bit beyond them. It would be better to work on your tool skills and create nice simple objects. I think a lot of the hollow stuff is wood nerd territory to impress other wood nerds but not really practical or commercial or even attractive and elegant most of the time. Design opportunities... what nonsense. Just chuck your accidents in the fire and start again.

Thank you for your input. Very constructive.

 

[Jenx]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha .... best one liner put down in History !

Mark, you deserve a medal ! ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[big soft moose]

Everyone will have a mishap even if one has been turning for 70 years but they become far more infrequent the more experience one gets. I'm seeing a lot of people trying to run before they can walk trying stuff that is a bit beyond them. It would be better to work on your tool skills and create nice simple objects. I think a lot of the hollow stuff is wood nerd territory to impress other wood nerds but not really practical or commercial or even attractive and elegant most of the time. Design opportunities... what nonsense. Just chuck your accidents in the fire and start again.

whereas some people like to criticise rather than run or walk - we've seen no sign of your "tool skills" soulfly - perhaps because you arent a turner at all ????

if thats not so, why not prove us all wrong

Put up or shut up time :evil:

 

[Jonzjob]

I look forward to the reply?