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Would you think OK for marquetry cutting?

Don't need anything with a monster footprint - as ever, space is at a premium!

If not the Minicraft, and other recommendations, please?
 
45 views, and no opinions or recommendations?!
Now, just because it doesn't mention sharpening.....!
 
Keep your eyes open on Facebook marketplace i bought an hegner locally for £60 highlighted by fellow member blister ,far better than most modern Chinese imports

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45 views, and no opinions or recommendations?!
Now, just because it doesn't mention sharpening.....!

OK Cozzer, I'll bite!

Though I've heard of several different Minicraft tools, I've never heard of them doing a fret/scroll saw, sorry. That's why I didn't post a reply.

Googling brought up several unrelated hits (including your post!), but in the end I got to pages by Amazon. They had several machines by Wen (of whom I have heard - American I think) and pics of several Minicraft machines, like small "table " saws. But I found NO Minicraft Fret/Scroll saw.

I don't know but I THOUGHT that marquetry people cut their veneers with sharp knives (Swann Morton scalpels, etc), so if you only want to do marquetry, why a fret/scroll saw please?

OR, you could make your Q a bit less of a "puzzle" by either posting a photo of the machine you're thinking of, or at least a link to a picture!

Sorry if I'm dense.

And if you DO want a fret/scroll saw, why not one of the "common" ones?
 
A note: Wen is headquartered in America, but I'm pretty sure its products are made in China.

Can't offer anything helpful on the original question.
 
OK Cozzer, I'll bite!

Though I've heard of several different Minicraft tools, I've never heard of them doing a fret/scroll saw, sorry. That's why I didn't post a reply.

Googling brought up several unrelated hits (including your post!), but in the end I got to pages by Amazon. They had several machines by Wen (of whom I have heard - American I think) and pics of several Minicraft machines, like small "table " saws. But I found NO Minicraft Fret/Scroll saw.

I don't know but I THOUGHT that marquetry people cut their veneers with sharp knives (Swann Morton scalpels, etc), so if you only want to do marquetry, why a fret/scroll saw please?

OR, you could make your Q a bit less of a "puzzle" by either posting a photo of the machine you're thinking of, or at least a link to a picture!

Sorry if I'm dense.

And if you DO want a fret/scroll saw, why not one of the "common" ones?

Evening, AES...
Yes, you're right - I used a scalpel for years, using the basic marquetry 'window method'. My wife and I ran a small arts and crafts studio for a few years until the late 80's financial crisis hit... sadly, we had to jack the operation in, and it really wasn't an option to continue from a home base. What had started out just as a hobby had slowly become our business, but then reverted to just a hobby again....
Move on 30-odd years, and I started to think about why/how I'd never had a crack at the 'veneer pad' method - hence my other post about the non-Aeropiccola saw that's been lurking in my cellar since those days! I've given up trying to fix that, so considered buying a different starter machine instead....hence the Minicraft job. And yes, there is one. In fact, there's one on eBay right now - eBay item number:374951005517.
Space - not to mention £! - is at a premium, so I thought the minicraft might suit my purpose. Apart from that, the "common" ones might - might - not be able to hold jewellers blades. There's all sorts of complications over blade length and whether they've pins and whatnot....
 
Ah, OK Cozzer.

Thanks for the link, I've now seen that machine. I must say that from what I can see in the pictures, it looks "OK" and it's certainly cheap enough.

The photos don't give much idea of it's size but I do see what I think is the "standard" Minicraft small-size transformer in one of the photos so I do get some idea of size.

But how do you know it will take jewellers blades? And BTW, whilst I know nothing about that Minicraft scroll saw, AFAIK, there are only 2 fret/scroll saw machines which do not take the "standard" 5 inch blades, and that's the Dremel and I think one of the Proxxon models. They both take shorter blades, 3 inches I think.

If you look at the sticky at the top of the Scrolling & Scroll Saw Section here you'll find all sorts of info about what blades are available. They're all 5 inch blades, and both pinned and pinless blades are available.

From the looks of that Minicraft it should be OK, and I THINK it's multi speed (on the transformer). More I can't say, sorry, except to say that the blade fitted in the photo looks pretty coarse for marquetry, but "does" look as if it's the standard 5 inch length.

Pity you've "given up" with that non-Aeropiccola. Apart from the missing weight (easy to fudge up, especially as you know what it weighs, surely?) and the "foam pad" between the slug and the plate (experiment with different densities of foam. e.g. out of packaging, etc?) I thought from your previous posts on that subject you're getting pretty near to something that will run. No?

Beyond those comments my "ideas" are all pure guess work, sorry.

Good luck.

Or just keep your eyes open for a Hegner or something
 
Morning, AES....
Yes, I've just been looking at the Dremel Moto-saw information : doesn't take up any room as such, has fairly reasonable reviews overall, and can be packed away when not in use. That said, I can't help but think "toy" whenever I see the grey plastic!
Now we come to the nitty-gritty! Watching (youtube) experts using scroll/fretsaws on marquetry pads (which, bear in mind, could have any number of veneer sheets/tape plus a waste "backing" veneer) it looks as though jewellery blades 2/0 are the norm....but they're experts, not some ageing juvenile who should be doing more useful things around the house! It happens that my range of blades - bought years ago, probably during the last time I tried to get the non-aeropiccola going! - are pinless, and about 5.5" long. I can't remember the number of teeth per inch/cm, but it's a fair bet that the finest Dremel blade available won't even come close...
Talking of the vibro saw, I've given up for the minute - no doubt it'll come around again at some juncture! I've two basics problems with it....I can't understand how they can possibly achieve a circa 5mm (according to some, anyway) up-and-down movement, and I equally don't get why mine doesn't! There's basically nothing to go wrong!

Now you'll see why using a scalpel was the chosen route all those years ago!
 
Cozzer, I have 2 of that kind of saw, never used either to seriously cut wood. One is a Shapercraft, made in England, the other is a Magnetal, made in Switzerland and is still in its box (although a bit tatty). They're not actually for sale but if you wanted one we could talk about it. ;):D
Steve.
 

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Morning, AES....
Yes, I've just been looking at the Dremel Moto-saw information : doesn't take up any room as such, has fairly reasonable reviews overall, and can be packed away when not in use. That said, I can't help but think "toy" whenever I see the grey plastic!
Now we come to the nitty-gritty! Watching (youtube) experts using scroll/fretsaws on marquetry pads (which, bear in mind, could have any number of veneer sheets/tape plus a waste "backing" veneer) it looks as though jewellery blades 2/0 are the norm....but they're experts, not some ageing juvenile who should be doing more useful things around the house! It happens that my range of blades - bought years ago, probably during the last time I tried to get the non-aeropiccola going! - are pinless, and about 5.5" long. I can't remember the number of teeth per inch/cm, but it's a fair bet that the finest Dremel blade available won't even come close...
Talking of the vibro saw, I've given up for the minute - no doubt it'll come around again at some juncture! I've two basics problems with it....I can't understand how they can possibly achieve a circa 5mm (according to some, anyway) up-and-down movement, and I equally don't get why mine doesn't! There's basically nothing to go wrong!

Now you'll see why using a scalpel was the chosen route all those years ago!


Cozzer, my first ever scroll saw was a Dremel Moto Saw - one of their VERY early models, it's about 40+ years ago now! It was "OK" for what I needed at the time (cutting out bits of ply and thick balsa for model aircraft), but it was never very good/accurate, and slowly but surely "I learnt better". It was also limited to Dremel's own very short blades.

I've seen the current model in our local DIY stores, and though I haven't looked closely I would strongly suggest "don't bother"! BUT that's only my own opinion, and I'm NO expert!

As far as I could see, with the current model Dremel, you're STILL limited to their short blades (not that 3 inches is a problem in itself, but being limited to one manufacturer, and what THEY think is OK for blades, particularly TPI, is not, IMO, a very "comfortable" situation. About the only plus I can see with the current model is that it takes up very little space.

Sorry I've no idea what TPI blades you'd use for a "pack" of veneers for Marquetry (never tried it) but whilst I do appreciate that budget is always more than "just a consideration", once you've got a machine why don't you look at the suppliers listed in that sticky and buy, say, a dozen each of, again say, Pegas (I like them!) in the TPIs that you think you'll need. Most suppliers will let you "mix and pick" so that you have say, a dozen of "X" TPI, a dozen "Y" TPI, and a dozen "Z" etc, etc, in one pack. IMO, nothing beats a bit of "suck it and see" to fund out what suits you, your work, and your machine (once you've got one).

For a machine I'd strongly suggest that you keep an eye on the S/H ads as you'll pretty soon find a small-ish mavhine that should do all you want. Names to look for include Hegner; Axminster's clones of Hegners; Excalibur; Delta (if you can find one) . There are many other "no name brands" which WILL do the job, and which also come with labels such as Record Power; Einhell; etc, etc, etc. The list is almost endless, and they're all much of a muchness so I hear.

HTH
 
Cozzer, I have 2 of that kind of saw, never used either to seriously cut wood. One is a Shapercraft, made in England, the other is a Magnetal, made in Switzerland and is still in its box (although a bit tatty). They're not actually for sale but if you wanted one we could talk about it. ;):D
Steve.

Eyup, Steve....thanks for your response!
Yes, that Magnetal job looks to be yet another 'clone' along similar lines - God knows how many are lurking in cellars and attics! (Probably with good reason!)
Bluntly, the last thing I want is another (!) given the fact that I don't know that even a "properly working" one would actually do what I want it to do, i.e. cut through x number of veneers! (But grateful for your suggestion, nonetheless!)
However, could I ask you a bit of a favour, please? Can you have a peek at some time and see exactly what goes on between the magnet and the metal plate that holds the bottom end of the blade? Maybe touching...or just a gap? A few mm's? Perhaps a bit of sponge/rubber filling the space? Perhaps a gap and sponge?
What I have noticed on mine is that when turned on, the metal plate instantly flexes down towards the magnet, but fails to rise....which I'm assuming it should in order for the saw to actually cut something!
 
Eyup Cozzer, I've had a look and nothing touches the plate with the bottom clamp on. when it's turned on the magnet pulls the plate down then releases it. If yours is staying down then I think that the make/break switch that energises the magnet isn't working properly. As far as I know, (bearing in mind I'm no electrical expert) there should be some kind of switching to turn the magnet on and off for the blade to go up and down, the tension on the top arm pulls the blade up, magnet pulls it down. Sorry if that's teaching grandmother to suck eggs.
Steve
 
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