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doctor Bob

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I want to demonstrate this to a few people.
Now I have never done this so today in the workshop I thought I'd give it a go. Start the easy way, forget the bow, just put the stick in a drill, cut a hole in a piece of oak with a v in it to collect the embers as per videos and away we go.
Lots and lots of smoke, lots of black ash but absolutely no embers. tried all woods, oak, walnut, maple, poplar not a hint of an ember.

Come on what am I doing wrong, forget the bow for the moment, lets just do it with a drill. any tips
 
No idea, but having watched a few survival programmes my one take away was it's way harder than it looks.
 
The rotating wood only gives the heat. You need the kindling of very light fluffy material to spontaineously combust from the heat.
 
idea is sound but even with fine kindling you will probably find that the motion of the drill will cool or fan the heat away unless run fairly slow..
 
The combination of woods being used is very important.

If the "drill" is too hard and the "hearth" board too soft for example, you will just drill through the hearth board very quickly.

Poplar sounds the most likely from what you mentioned above, make a drill and a hearth from that if you can. Lots of other possibilities such as hazel, clematis, ivy etc but the hard exotics are unlikely to be much use as they're too hard !

Round the end of the drill, you want a shallow curve on it for increased friction area, rather than a point which will just drill through.

the "v" notch in the depression in the board is quite important to get right, it should stop just short of the centre of the depression (so as not to create a nipple on the end of the drill) and undercut a bit to allow space for the ember to collect and grow in size.

The ember is basically just smoking, black powder formed by the friction of the rubbing pieces, it is unlikely to burst into flames by itself, but when blown on gently should glow red.

The hearth board should be stood on something else so that when a sizeable ember has collected under/in the v notch, the hearth board can be carefully removed and the ember transferred to your pre-prepared tinder bundle, maybe with a bit of char cloth in there as well, or some scraped up birch bark, and then blow long and firm on the ember and tinder bundle until it starts smoking lots and then eventually bursts into flame. Job done !

It's a combination of downwards pressure and moderate speed on the drill bit that creates the friction and the dust that forms the ember, aa drill about the thickness of your thumb is about the right size, too thin and the friction area is too small, too thick and it will be difficult to rotate when doing it by hand. The first couple of minutes of rotating the drill is just to bed the end into the hearth board to conform the shape of both and give matching surfaces that will provide the friction, then you can increase the downwards pressure and should be able to see the powder of the ember forming along with the smoke.

My guess is that your woods were too hard to release a powder and so you were just getting heat and smoke but nothing that could physically be transferred to a tinder bundle.

Tinder bundles can be lots of different things, but typically might be a good sized ball of very dry hay or dried grass or similar, perhaps with char cloth or scraped up birch bark in the centre, and once alight the tinder bundle is then used as the base of the fire to add dry twigs and sticks too to build the fire proper.

It's very satisfying to do, doing it manually with a bow adds in a few other variables too, so a good idea to try it out this way first as proof of concept on the materials used etc before then worrying about the rest.

I've done it a few times with a bow just for fun and to prove to myself I could do it, but usually go for an easier and quicker method when actually wanting to get a fire going rather than playing ! :)
 
My father showed me how to make and use a tinder box, using a lump of flint and a piece of broken file. We used kapok that had beed charred on the surface as tinder. it worked well, and I was briefly the coolest kid at school, lighting **** behind the bike sheds from a tinder box.
Never made fire with a bow and stick, but my wife has. I'll ask what she used as tinder, but I doubt she'll remember, as it was a long time ago when she worked at a kid's summer camp in Washington State.

Fine steel wool, apparently.
 
if you want a fire quick, fine steel wool and a 5v battery, put the steel wool across the terminals which will turn it into an ember almost immediately, add to tinder etc etc.

You can put the steel wool inside the tinder just showing and just touch the battery to the wool to get it going, then blow.

No need for wood, bow, or drill :) just dont carry them together in the same pouch!!!
 
Thanks fellas, I have been invited to a party where everyone has to do a party piece.

I think this is too complicated so I have decided to do below.
I can do the old "imagine you are lost with only a torch and a bit of chewing gum routine"............... also I don't end up a sweaty swearing mess, shouting light you F*!king boll*CK!ng C^*ttwat........... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tny2rPAoPc
 
Best timbers for hearth boards are Elderberry or Ivy, the drill part can be ivy as well, pick a section that has died & is dry then split it down. The notch is critical & must not go right to the centre.
I use a bow drill & a stone with natural hole in it to push down on the dril. With a hearth like this a glowing coal can be got quite quickly.
Alternatively the black rounded fungus known as alfreds cakes (grows on ash trees) is great for fire lighting, break it in half & strike sparks into it & it will catch straight away.
 
doctor Bob":xx2rdoss said:
Thanks fellas, I have been invited to a party where everyone has to do a party piece.

I think this is too complicated so I have decided to do below.
I can do the old "imagine you are lost with only a torch and a bit of chewing gum routine"............... also I don't end up a sweaty swearing mess, shouting light you F*!king boll*CK!ng C^*ttwat........... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tny2rPAoPc

Just set fire to your farts. It's a classic but always draws a crowd..............of paramedics.
 
You want a REAL combustion related party peice? try the match rocket - done it myself - little bit ffidly but get it right and it's pretty cool - just don't set the curtains on fire :)
 
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