Lie-Nielsen 51/52

[Mr Ed]

I though this would never happen;

http://blog.woodworking-magazine.com/bl ... agazine%29

Be interesting to see what transpires...

Ed

 

[wizer]

yep I saw that. I'll stick with my WoodBloke Chute™ and my Philly Skew Miter™, thanks :lol:

 

[Mr Ed]

By the time the LN offering gets to the UK I'm sure you'll have been through 2 or 3 different setups for shooting and be ready for the new new thing :lol:

 

[woodbloke]

yep I saw that. I'll stick with my WoodBloke Chute™ and my Philly Skew Miter™, thanks :lol:

Making progress on the 'shutes Tom...first mitre attachment (pic frames) now finished and shot in. I need to start on the long mitre attachment very shortly - Rob

 

[Ironballs]

Just when you think you've got the slope licked...

Though to be honest, by the time they have been priced for UK and you factor in the 52 part this is going to be one very expensive set up. That may help resist it

 

[Karl]

Yeah, but think of the bling factor Damien!

 

[Racers]

Hi, chaps

I will hang on for Karl to produce one (that will give me time to sell my kidneys)

Pete

 

[wizer]

In all seriousness. To my untrained village ***** eyes, that type of chute is greatly restricted over the homebrew kind? It's just bling factor isn't it?

 

[Ironballs]

Depends if they do a straight repro of a 51/52, which LN are likely to do, if so that will be less flexible. If it were a Veritas plane then I'd expect them to be a little more creative and perhaps make an adjustable donkeys ear set up too.

I think if you want the flexibility then you just use the LN iron mitre, unless you've sold it of course...

 

[Alf]

Well hot damn. I can recall BugBear and myself talking to TLN about the shooting issue way back when the Axminster Show still lived and him saying the cost made it a no-no. Looking at that, I'd say he was right! :lol: I also recall suggesting selling an adjustable fence to be fitted to your own board too...

Question: Given that improvements in materials have made bevel up planes more reliable, does it make sense to produce a modern bevel down plane for the express purpose of shooting? :-k

 

[Paul Chapman]

Frankly, I'm surprised that LN are bothering to make this plane and the shooting board that goes with it, but no doubt their research has indicated that there will be a market for it. From a user's perspective, I think the #9 iron mitre plane and a range of home-made shooting boards offer a far better option

First, the #9 is so comfortable to use - you could plane with it all day without discomfort. I doubt you could say that about the #51.

Second, you can use the #9 on either side. You can't do that with a #51 because of the skewed blade.

Third, the #51/52 is limited in the range of shooting options so you would have to make additional shooting boards anyway (which would be a bit of a bummer after spending all that money ).

Don't think I'll be buying one.........

Cheers :wink:

Paul

PS Just seen your post, Alf - the #9 is, of course, bevel-up which is better for shooting :wink:

 

[Escudo]

Just must have a go at making one of those hot dog handles for my 9.

 

[Harbo]

I agree with Paul - shoots are so easy to make and the No.9 is a fantastic plane.
I bought mine because I was always taking the skin off my knuckles with other planes - the hot dog works really well.
If you do need a skew blade, then making a sloping board is a much cheaper option?

Rod

 

[bugbear]

Well hot damn. I can recall BugBear and myself talking to TLN about the shooting issue way back when the Axminster Show still lived and him saying the cost made it a no-no. Looking at that, I'd say he was right! :lol:

Me too. I've also emailed him on the subject (way back) with the same response.

I was even cheeky enough to ask for a cost estimate on both parts.

BugBear

 

[Benchwayze]

I think if I wanted to buy one, I would start saving now.

This tool will have most appeal to 'galoots', and I wonder if there is a large enough number of pure galoots to make the manufacture worthwhile?

If it proves to be a white-elephant, I am sure LN will soon withdraw it from their range. So if you want one, you might be wise to get in as soon as they are launched!

John

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

I have known about this for a few years - that does not say much, just that Tom LN mentioned it to me and one important design detail, this being that the frog would be taken from a #6 and not replicate the original Stanley design. For those familiar with the workings of the Stanley #51, this is a Big improvement. The original frog is/was fragile and many broke owing to the stresses placed upon it when shooting endgrain. My own #51 has a welded frog. The plane works perfectly, but it is a constant reminder that this area is a weakness. The #51 frog is unique to this plane, so there are no parts available.

The #51/52 is a step up from everything else.

The advantage of the tracked #52 is that all one has to do is push the plane forward. You do not have be be concerned abouthe plane's desire for lateral movement, and this leads to a far less fatiguing involvement.

There is greater repeatibility in the set up. Plus the adjustable fence - variable between 45 and 90 degrees - is super accurate at the extreme stops.

The #51 is a heavy plane, so carries a good deal of momentum through the cuts. This is important on end grain, which is always tough to cut. The skew blade serves to lower the angle of entry, keeping in mind that the blade is set up at 45 degrees and bevel down.

The angle of the handle may look cumbersome, but it is perfectly placed and angled for a comfortable grip and ergonomic stance.

I have a Japanese Smoothcut blade along with a heavy Clifton cap iron, and this combination is excellent.

Regards from Perth

Derek