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jimi43":3ffjrxsg said:
So..it's not just infills...it's beautiful old tools...works of art...engineering masterpieces...

And it's not just old tools, Jim. Many of the best tools being made today have taken the best designs of yesterday, improved them, used better materials and more accurate manufactuting techniques, to produce even better tools which are even more enjoyable to use.

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
I think another reason Karl Holtey moved away from infills is that they are easy to copy (but not necessarily easy to make I hasten to add).
Look at all the people making them?

His all metal jobbies need a lot of very expensive precise machinery to make them?

Rod
 
Whilst I appreciate Karl's pioneering work in carrying on the art of infills to a new dimension...the extensive use of machinery is, in my opinion only...one of the things that I don't like. The engineering is absolutely out of this world though!

For art...I lean towards Messrs Sauer and Steiner...anyone who does not see the beauty in this pair does not have a soul IMHO...

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Where he gets his wood is beyond me! 8)

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Simply beautiful...

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:shock:




Jim
 
Richard T":2n193caa said:
Producing a metal (ish) plane that I can design to have the best features I can think of is a great thing to be able to do in my book. You don't need a foundry.

Actually, in the early days (1890-1900) lots of infills were made from machined castings, and SJBTC still offer raw castings.

http://www.handplane.com/291/planemakin ... ing-plane/

BugBear
 
bugbear":d1gv3jmb said:
Richard T":d1gv3jmb said:
Producing a metal (ish) plane that I can design to have the best features I can think of is a great thing to be able to do in my book. You don't need a foundry.

Actually, in the early days (1890-1900) lots of infills were made from machined castings, and SJBTC still offer raw castings.

http://www.handplane.com/291/planemakin ... ing-plane/

BugBear

Just for those of our dear brethren who aren't infill nuts but are teetering on the edge of this particular slope...the SJBTC is the St. James Bay Tool Co. in the good old US of A....

Some wonderful stuff.....and the kits are just that...complete to assemble without the worries of all the angles (which are critical) to get right...even the rear infill is machined!

At $390 for the Cocobolo Mitre infill...I feel that these are excellent projects for the craftsmen here...who perhaps don't want to go down the road few are able to finish...(Richard T excepted of course!)

As Richard will contest and I can certainly support...making compound dovetails in steel...is not something for the feint hearted....and that's just the start of the problem!

The workers who designed and made these gems were amazing...remember they had few machine tools to use if any. Another reason I hold these planes in such reverence....

Jim
 
Good advice there BB.

"Such a plane costs about thirty shillings in the shops, but can be made for (f)ive shillings."

So I can save myself 25s eh? Right. I'm off to the foundry.

What/who is SJBTC btw? I know that place in Bristol used to offer those bronze smoother shells. Always quite tempted by one of those.

(aha - thanks Jim)


Alf, the ones I have been fiddling with have solid frog plates - it's one of the points of extra solidity that the likes of me and Jim get so excited about.
Though I am thinking hard about designing a non infill, dovetailed LA. That's the trouble when you realise that these things are possible - I start on one and it takes so long that I'm thinking of half a dozen others before it's finished.
And I promise; as soon as I realise I have too many Holteys, I'll send you one. :)

Jim, I think there may be a car analogy here. There used to be proper coach builders about but now that stuff would be so expensive almost no one could afford it. Even lesser models - I'm sure I heard that Aston Martin have never made a profit. It's just a labour of love for those who really want to keep making those lovely things.
Now how's that for off topic? :mrgreen:
You know what I mean though ... I don't know if a Veritas or a S&S jointer would be better at planing but I know which one I'd rather have regardless.
 
Jimi wrote: " At $390 for the Cocobolo Mitre infill...I feel that these are excellent projects for the craftsmen here...who perhaps don't want to go down the road few are able to finish...(Richard T excepted of course!)"


Shhhhh! I haven't finished one yet ... :-"
 
Richard T":23azv9pq said:
I think there may be a car analogy here. There used to be proper coach builders about but now that stuff would be so expensive almost no one could afford it. Even lesser models

I think Morgan still do things the way they've always done it :-k

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
Richard T":rfby53gl said:
I know that place in Bristol used to offer those bronze smoother shells. Always quite tempted by one of those.

They still do - as discussed here.

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Thanks for that reminder Andy.
I've finally got that "huge" website saved for future ref. :)
Must give him a ring some time.
 
jimi43":2r4v5tvy said:
As Richard will contest and I can certainly support...making compound dovetails in steel...is not something for the feint hearted....and that's just the start of the problem!

Jim

And some people think mere dovetails in steel & brass are too easy:
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As seen here: http://spehar-toolworks.com/planes.html

They even have adjustable mouths.

One of these babies cost $2700--in 2002. By the way, I didn't email for a current price.:)

Kirk
 
I like the wheel motif. Thomas the Tank plane?
You could chuff them around the living room carpet (blades retracted of course!) and play with them without going near any nasty rough wood.
This man understands his customers!
 
Jacob":6yf23sho said:
I like the wheel motif. Thomas the Tank plane?
You could chuff them around the living room carpet (blades retracted of course!) and play with them without going near any nasty rough wood.
This man understands his customers!


It could be used to trim back shag pile by eager Thomas the Tank fans or carpet fitters. :)
 
yetloh":1nk353n0 said:
What a shame about that scew in the bun. Surely there must have been a better solution than that.

Jim

I have a feeling that's the iron tap Jim......though quite why is beyond me...if the adjuster does what they say it does.

Personally...I don't like them...machine made...give me handmade dovetails any day...and A2 steel! What is this obsession with A2 steel in the Colonies...... :roll:

Jim
 
Jimi43 wrote
I have a feeling that's the iron tap Jim......
But it has a Norris type adjuster? :) (hammer)

I like infill planes but I don't like the look of this one especially the "wheels"!

A few years back, I inquired about the Bristol Design ones but they needed a lot of milling to finish them off - bought a Holtey kit instead!

Rod
 
Harbo":sr1u1o0r said:
Jimi43 wrote
I have a feeling that's the iron tap Jim......
But it has a Norris type adjuster? :) (hammer)

I like infill planes but I don't like the look of this one especially the "wheels"!

A few years back, I inquired about the Bristol Design ones but they needed a lot of milling to finish them off - bought a Holtey kit instead!

Rod

As I said Rod...it seemed strange...but maybe it is a "design" feature....anyway...the price is silly...it's these sort of prices that give infills the reputation that, however good the finish and ease of use, they don't justify the price. Handmade ones...maybe...as there is a huge amount of difficult and very skilled work involved but cleverly made on CNC equipment...sorry..don't get it.

Jim
 
Is the screw in the bun not part of the adjustable mouth mechanism?
 

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