Is this a Tyzack saw?

[richarddownunder]

Hi

I bought a Tyzack tenon saw (maybe) from an on-line trader yesterday but, after enquiring, it apparently doesn't have any makers mark on the brass back, just a medallion on the handle. The handle looks like the fairly plain later (1980s ?) Tyzack to me but I thought they always marked the back. So, could someone please advise me, did I buy some no-name saw with a Tyzack medallion or did they stop marking the back at some point towards the end of their days - maybe on a budget line of saws for instance?

Thanks
Richard

 

[Mr_P]

Marriage / repair ?

I bought something similar last week.

Brass backed with retailer stamp and a manufacturer logo, handle has Tyzack medallion.

Sorry no pics, its going back on ebay this week. Not as big as listed and I don't need another 14"

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I've two '80s Tyzack tenons - neither has a mark on the back. My'80s dovetail has - but it was three times the price.

 

[rxh]

My Tyzacks date from the 1980s and have stamps on the brass backs and writing on the blades.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

My dovetail is like the second one. I wonder if the others were a "budget" line? I seem to remember paying only £12 - £14 for them.

 

[richarddownunder]

Thanks for the replies folks. Looks like it probably is what it is claimed to be but maybe a budget version. Proably paid too much then . I should have spotted the lack of markings - I'm not much good at second hand shopping. Maybe I'll sharpen it, polish it up and give it to someone - I've got lots of nephews. RXH, its nice to see tools that have been cared for!

 

[richarddownunder]

I may have answered my own question, it could be one of these...

In which case, it does look like a budget line. Oh well, good sharpening practice.

 

[Jacob]

I may have answered my own question, it could be one of these...View attachment 360

In which case, it does look like a budget line. Oh well, good sharpening practice.

Why? There's nothing wrong with it. Looks like a perfectly good saw to me. If you want one with a curly handle buy one with a curly handle.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

+1 ... perfectly good saws.

 

[richarddownunder]

Hey Jacob. Well, I guess I was assuming (maybe wrongly by your reply) that maybe a budget one wouldn't be as good as the non-budget. If the steel and the general construction is the same, and the only difference is the marking on the brass, (and possibly a curly handle :wink then it may well be a fine saw - perhaps I'm just being a tool snob. Actually, I did notice the handle wasn't curly - I can have a go at curling that bit myself (hammer) .

 

[Sawyer]

The steel is probably the same. If it's a 'user' - that's the bit that matters. My experience has always been that whatever the aesthetic considerations, if it came out of Sheffield, it's going to be a decent bit of steel.

 

[MIGNAL]

The Steel is almost certainly the same, stuff that can be filed but not too soft to spread on toast. The Brass back is probably made of. . . . Brass!
Quite surprisingly it will probably cut wood. It will probably cut it exceedingly well if made very sharp.
OK the handle is a little clunky but providing you aren't using it for 3 hours continuously it's unlikely to cause a trip to the over burdened A&E.

 

[Vann]

...If you want one with a curly handle buy one with a curly handle.

What Jacob doesn't realise is that over here (NZ) nice looking saws with "curly handles" very seldom crop up - so when they do they go for considerably higher prices than back in Blighty. And just because it has a curly handle doesn't mean the blade will be straight. Better to take a punt on a cheaper one.... as the OP has done.

Cheers, Vann.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Bit late to the party, but just thought I'd add that budget saws very rarely had brass backs. Brass has always been a rather expensive metal. I suspect that may be a 1970s Tyzack. I think the big stamp was a later feature - my Tyzack dovetail saw has the big stamp, and was bought new in the late 1980s. The lack of marking on the blade itself is a bit odd, but it may have worn off; acid etching gave way to 'printed' marks at some point, but I'm not exactly sure when.

I think that's probably a very good saw. True, the handle is a bit 'clunky', but they all were post WW2; that doesn't detract from the quality of the metal bits.

(That doesn't necessarily mean that steel-backed saws are budget versions, either. Some very fine saws have been made with steel backs.)

 

[bugbear]

Bit late to the party, but just thought I'd add that budget saws very rarely had brass backs. Brass has always been a rather expensive metal. I suspect that may be a 1970s Tyzack. I think the big stamp was a later feature - my Tyzack dovetail saw has the big stamp, and was bought new in the late 1980s. The lack of marking on the blade itself is a bit odd, but it may have worn off; acid etching gave way to 'printed' marks at some point, but I'm not exactly sure when.

I think that's probably a very good saw. True, the handle is a bit 'clunky', but they all were post WW2; that doesn't detract from the quality of the metal bits.

(That doesn't necessarily mean that steel-backed saws are budget versions, either. Some very fine saws have been made with steel backs.)

Watch out for the brass plated steel backs! Honest manufacturers don't fake, and I wouldn't trust a tool from a dishonest company.

BugBear

 

[Sawyer]

Bit late to the party, but just thought I'd add that budget saws very rarely had brass backs.

My main tenon saw is a 1980s Footprint with brass back - would probably have been considered 'budget' at the time. Not a candidate for beauty contests, nor a starring role in 'tool ****' videos, but a very good saw nevertheless. As I say... Sheffield steel.
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[richarddownunder]

Hi all

got the saw, spent a few happy hours de-rusting and polishing, Indeed, after sharpening, it is a nice saw. Heavy brass back, dead straight and only slightly pitted. The handle isn't pretty, but completely functional and I cant be bothered making it curly so just sanded of the sharp edges and slopped some oil on it. It'll make a very good user.

I did have a bit of a mis-hap as the oil seemed to dissolve the colour in my oiling rag, which happened to be my wife's old pink pajamas. So obviously had to sand that off as pink hand-tools is unthinkably un-blokey :shock: .

I haven't been a great hand-saw user over the years but I think I'm starting to appreciate them more. Certainly, I thought the difference between this and my hard-point Bacho was pretty clear, cuts better, and a much better feel to it.

Cheers
Richard

 

[JimB]

A shame you got rid of the pink. In years to come there might have been a thread wondering about the pigments used in Tyzack varnish.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I didn't realise Kiwi women were prim enough to wear pink pyjamas. At least, the ones I met weren't.