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I agree, started my apprenticeship in carpentry and joining 1965 done 1 year probation then signed my indentures in 66 then 4 year to get my C & G ordinary level passed with distinction then 1 more year to take advanced level again passed with distinction, after all that I've never been for a job and asked to show any paperwork it's just get a start and see what you can do, my certificates are still in the envelops they came in