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[Scruples]

Not so sure. If it was an issue at the ballot box the politicos would really start paying attention.
Progress has never come from the top throughout history, it's always been pressure from below.
Sounds far fetched but if threads like this change a few peoples minds it could the most useful thing we can do - the same conversation is going on all over the world.

Although some southern states of America might grasp the concepts of climate change I think that, generally, the electorate in other western countries do understand the consequences of the recent climatic changes and would support their leaders. Obviously, like any mass, there is inertia but, like most inetiaa the few will see the light one day.
The autocratic countries, on the other hand, may not see the truth beyond their own ideaologies, and therein lies a problem.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

Not so sure. If it was an issue at the ballot box the politicos would really start paying attention.
Progress has never come from the top throughout history, it's always been pressure from below.

It would be nice were it true.

Behaviours with negative consequences abound - gluttony, alcohol, gambling, smoking etc. Politicians reluctantly legislate fearing negative electoral impacts. Behaviours continue largely unchanged until confronted with the consequences - eg: heart attack, lung cancer,

I expect limited public demand for action until climate change impacts hit people hard - eg: water shortages, large scale woodland fires, coastal flooding etc. There are higher priorities:

• energy prices - bizarre in that energy consumption is a root cause of climate change
• cost of living - particularly food
• interest rates and housing adequacy
• job security and income
• acquisition of material consumer goods and leisure spend (holidays etc)

As swift action is needed, legislators will need to regulate against the superficial wishes of voters and put in place the framework for a lower carbon economy to flourish. EVs are a start. Far better housing standards, much higher taxes on energy consumption, remove barriers to green energy generation (eg: Severn barrage, wind turbines) etc.

It is easy for the "comfortable" to be positive about the need for action - but for those whose lives are a succession of difficult priority choices today is far more important than an opaque future.

 

[Spectric]

cost of living - particularly food

Also impacted by climate change, many of our current crops could become unsuitable for the new weather patterns.

One of the big barriers to change is that governments do not want to upset their backers like property developers and business that generate wealth for the economy, but to progress to a lower carbon economy is going to require some pretty drastic changes. The one thing that would make dealing with the global warming crisis much easier would be if everyone on planet earth could just get on with each other and stop all conflicts and then direct there efforts into the issues that impact us all, we all live on the same boat and if it sinks we all go down so we all should work as one to keep it afloat.

 

[Jacob]

Not so sure. If it was an issue at the ballot box the politicos would really start paying attention.
Progress has never come from the top throughout history, it's always been pressure from below.
Sounds far fetched but if threads like this change a few peoples minds it could the most useful thing we can do - the same conversation is going on all over the world.

Maybe this could be the ballot box threat which could get our zombie politicians thinking?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/07/my-climate-party-ed-gemell-centre-right
It's another of the many open goals that Sir Keith bollard has missed so far.
The trouble is he just doesn't seem to have the brain power, let alone the imagination.
If he came out with a very strong green agenda he might regain some of the 1000s of lost members and do a lot better at the ballot box.

 

[DrPhill]

Maybe this could be the ballot box threat which could get our zombie politicians thinking?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/07/my-climate-party-ed-gemell-centre-right
It's another of the many open goals that Sir Keith bollard has missed so far.
The trouble is he just doesn't seem to have the brain power, let alone the imagination.
If he came out with a very strong green agenda he might regain some of the 1000s of lost members and do a lot better at the ballot box.

Interesting link. It sounds as if you need to start a center-left 'other climate party' to attack the complacent left climate ignorers.

 

[Jameshow]

Maybe this could be the ballot box threat which could get our zombie politicians thinking?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/07/my-climate-party-ed-gemell-centre-right
It's another of the many open goals that Sir Keith bollard has missed so far.
The trouble is he just doesn't seem to have the brain power, let alone the imagination.
If he came out with a very strong green agenda he might regain some of the 1000s of lost members and do a lot better at the ballot box.

So the poor old working many is in for another punishment beating?

1) Maggie destroyed his well paid manual job.

2) New labour flooded the new service industry "hi tech" economy with imported labour.

3) Now and even more so going forward we going to tax them on emissions which they cannot afford, which they cannot affect due to social housing, and haven't made in the main, apart from a day trip to Bridlington....

Labour will never get back into power and kier knows that!!

 

[Spectric]

Labour will never get back into power and kier knows that!!

So are we saying it will be a hung parliament, no one will vote for the conservatives after such a long and drawn out fiasco and they will get blamed for the economic crisis, taking little action with the climate as well as a total failure to make any reduction in immigration so lib dems anyone, maybe it is time for them to have a go because they cannot make a worse mess so at least the potential for something positive. The absolute worst case is we have to endure truss as pm, ok only for a few years but a return of thatcher

 

[woodieallen]

Interesting link. It sounds as if you need to start a center-left 'other climate party' to attack the complacent left climate ignorers.

Bloody splitters ....with apologies to Life of Brian

 

[woodieallen]

So are we saying it will be a hung parliament, no one will vote for the conservatives after such a long and drawn out fiasco and they will get blamed for the economic crisis, taking little action with the climate as well as a total failure to make any reduction in immigration so lib dems anyone, maybe it is time for them to have a go because they cannot make a worse mess so at least the potential for something positive. The absolute worst case is we have to endure truss as pm, ok only for a few years but a return of thatcher

Nowt wrong with Margaret.

 

[bluemoon]

if that is based on real data then it's utterly brilliant.
when they showed that 3D version at the end it really levelled-up!

It is based on real data...

 

[whereistheceilidh]

Nowt wrong with Margaret.

Not now Woodie.
.....just to throw more logs on the fire ...... we have the benefit of the SNP alternative here rather than having to swither about Tory or Labour.....or Lib Dem. There are other parties.......