hang onto your beech wood!!

[majorwoody]

Did I miss something....or did beech wood just become as rare as rocking horse S***? check these prices. :shock: :!:

 

[Philly]

Sounds like joke to me!! :lol:
By the way, I'll make you some for £200 each if you want...... :wink: :lol:
Philly

 

[George_N]

I love the claim that the lacquer on the volume control knob affects the sound quality...brilliant.

 

[Smudger]

Does it go all the way up to 11?

 

[suprasport]

some poor sods will be reeled in and buy them

 

[Alf]

Does it go all the way up to 11?

Had to double check that I hadn't got the date wrong for a moment there...

Cheers, Alf

 

[MIGNAL]

I think it's become known as 'the great Hi-Fii swindle'. Not poor sods at all, more like filthy rich sods.

 

[DaveL]

Does it go all the way up to 11?

Had to double check that I hadn't got the date wrong for a moment there...

Alf, have you not heard of Spinal Tap? That is a quote from Nigel Tufnel, explaining that his amp goes all the way to 11 while the common ones only go to 10.

I have seen them live at the Royal Albert Hall, quite a gig. 8)

 

[Alf]

Alf, have you not heard of Spinal Tap?

Yeah, that's why I grinned. The date comment was in relation to the, erm, "creative" sales pitch.

Cheers, Alf

 

[Lord Nibbo]

Some HIFi silly person will buy them :roll: Do a google on HiFi connects Several thousand pounds for two foot maybe three foot of wire, you got to remember these idiots can hear the difference between cheap and expensive wire, :roll: sure they can

 

[ByronBlack]

1st class muppetry!

It's like the people who get all obsessed with MP3 Encoding bit-rates - IT DOESN'T MATTER, JUST LISTEN TO THE MUSIC DAMNIT!!

I have a bit of an axe to grind when it comes to 'hi-fi' snobs.

 

[the_g_ster]

This could open an off topic can of worms, but pay a little extra cash for a nice high end system and you will hear how pants your mp3's sound.

A good CD player with 20 quid connects is all you need, or even some quality headphones. You hear lots more in the music that is lost in mp3's and the hopeless earphones you get.

(Assuming you have been wearing your ear defenders when you have been playing with your wood).

G

 

[ByronBlack]

oh dear, one of them has got loose!

G' Star, if you want to take it literally, then surely Vinyl is even better than CD - but you know what I don't care what format it's in, MP3's are fine for what I like to do - and thats listen to music, who care's if I don't here that subtle bass note on every 16th note, or that little background triangle after the bridge - it's not important, the music/tune is.

 

[Jake]

I listen to music on all sorts, but I enjoy listening to it much more when you can hear it more as it was intended to be heard, i.e. on better equipment. So make that two escapees.

I don't buy cables and all that nonsense, let alone C37 lacquer and other assorted snake oil. The hifi industry is full of bullshit, and mugs and idiots who convince themselves that because it costs money it must be making a difference.

But, in amongst the nonsense, there are real engineers doing real engineering, and for a purpose, and yes, you can hear it, and it makes a difference to the experience of listening to music. I love listening to music in my car, and on portable boxes when I'm working on the house, or my cheapo system at work, but I get even more envolved and enveloped in music on my main or workshop systems because the sound quality is better and you can hear it all (or more of it, at least).

Vinyl is rubbish compared to CD, and MP3 is pants unless really high resolution. The lossy compression relies on your brain interpolating what it thinks should be there. About as superficial as veneered Ikea furniture, but just as functional, I'll admit.

 

[cutting42]

oh dear, one of them has got loose!

G' Star, if you want to take it literally, then surely Vinyl is even better than CD - but you know what I don't care what format it's in, MP3's are fine for what I like to do - and thats listen to music, who care's if I don't here that subtle bass note on every 16th note, or that little background triangle after the bridge - it's not important, the music/tune is.

Now, now Byron, its just another hobby to many people. I have been involved in HiFi and Sound reinforcement for many years. I love MP3's when I am travelling and plug it in my car to save taking loads of CD's but CD's do sound better than MP3's and yes you are correct Vinyl sounds even better but you do need a reasonably good setup and cannot take them in the car!

However I also love sitting down at home cranking up the volume and delighting in the best sound reproduction I can afford (not the above levels of expenditure to be sure but a few thousand over the last 20 years or so) . Just like LN planes compared with Stanley and the like there are always people who will insist that paying more gets you better. Will a Stanley plane wood, of course it will! Does it do it better than a Stanley - no clue but it is down to the user experience as to whether it is preferable.

Just like in all hobbies there is always an extreme end to the hobby where someone always has deeper pockets than most and a willingness to spend large sums on what they consider important. Actually the above kit is only medium expensive. I remember a chap buying 6 Onkagu power amps for him boat. The amps were made with antique Italian silver wire and costt £48,000 each. He plugged them ito a custom loaded Horn speaker system valued at £115,000 his front end was a custome turntable built by SME for him at a cost over £60,000. This individual liked this system so much he had this system duplicated in his 5 houses around the world. By comparison this is mild HiFi tweakery

The Music is the thing of course you are right! however it can be very involving to find out how much information can be extracted.

 

[Paul Chapman]

Give me a live performance any day. All the imperfections and improvisations - magic

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[ByronBlack]

IF I say listen to my favourite band (Metallica) on an MP3 and there is this fabled subtle bass note on a 16th and I don't hear it, how I can be that bothered because I wouldn't have known it was there in the first place, all I know is the music rocks, the bass kicks, the vocals are strong, and i'm enjoying myself - why then worry about having to 'extract' more information from it, maybe i'm a miserable git, but I just don't get it.

If the equalisation is good, and the general speaker system is delivering that equalisation to a good standard, then surely thats all that is needed?

Also as an aside, i'm a guiter player so have dabled in a lot of different amp/speakers setups, effects processors, valve pre-amps, cables etc.. etc.. yet at the end of the day, the best sound comes from a relatively standard cable and a basic amp that can amplify the equalisation and tone as it's going in. Is it taking away stuff from the source? Of course it is, is it adding something to colour the sound? Of course it is!!

At the end of the day each to their own, and by the way i'm enjoying this thread, I just like to poke a little now and then

 

[Jake]

Maybe you've played your guitar too loud and are now a bit deaf?

I love my main system, not least, because it can shake the damn house down every now and then, in a much more deafening way than something cheaper could, and ... it retains the definition. The thwack of the drums just becomes physical as well as aural, it has sharp slamming physical edges rather than blurred out softened bloated thwumps. It cannot help but improve the experience. I'm no Metallica fan, but ROTM can jam me against the back the sofa every now and then. I know you can't achieve that with cheaper non 'hi fi' gear, 'cos I've tried.

 

[cutting42]

much snippage (Metallica) ... fabled subtle bass note .... I don't hear it, how I can be that bothered ... all I know is the music rocks ... i'm enjoying myself - ... maybe i'm a miserable git, but I just don't get it.

i'm a guiter player so have dabled in a lot of different amp/speakers setups, effects processors, valve pre-amps, cables etc.. etc..

At the end of the day each to their own, and by the way i'm enjoying this thread, I just like to poke a little now and then

Hey Byron

We are mostly in complete agreement, I am listening to the Black album as I type this on a MP3 on my PC but now I have to find the Album and crank up the steam powered turntable to hear it at its best (well maybe in the morning or I will wake the kids).

Once you have heard your favourite music on a kicking system you will never look back but it does not mean you cannot enjoy it on a more basic media like MP3. Nor does it mean I am looking for the hidden meaning or creak of Lars stool during the intro of Seek and Destroy. For me it is about trying to recreate being there when a band plays and a great HiFi can do this to a degree.

I am a guitarist - well bassist as well and like you have been through loads of gear. However for me as a bassist the tone is the key thing with my search for the perfect match of Bass, Pre/Power Amp and Cabinet whilst not breaking the bank or my back. After 20 years of searching I think I have found it but I still suck compared with my fav players as at the end of the day if you are good or bad, it does not matter how good the gear is

I am also enjoying the thread!

 

[mr]

DO I detect the sound of Electric wood?