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memzey

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Hi everyone,

I wonder if it is possible to find good quality variants of the above items at reasonable prices? I am aware that "good quality" and "reasonable prices" don't normally go together in the current world but I am hopeful that others on this forum will have experienced enough to know the good value options out there for an amateur like myself.

Thanks in advance for the help!
 
I find that hilka forstner bits do well for the price, the 35mm I have has made around 30 pine cabinet doors and 15 mdf without any real issues with cutting performance. equally the axminster plug cutters have worked well although they have now been replaced with veritas items.
 
I rate these pretty highly http://www.screwfix.com/p/forstner-bits ... _container

although somebody did comment on some of the larger sizes being slightly smaller than stated. I havent noticed on mine, but is likely the same. These turn up from time to time at half price, so worth waiting for.

The axi chatter free countersinks are good http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-ch ... ountersink. I have only used that one and a couple of cheap ones- the axi was much better. For countersinks and plug cutters, I would buy decent ones as you need them rather than cheap sets just in case. I would also wait until you need one rather than buying immediately.

I have just bought a veritas tapered plug cutter but am waiting for the postman to deliver.
 
marcros":1qc256sv said:

I have a set of three of those snail-shell ones - can't remember if I bought them on-line or in Axminster itself, but I'm very pleased with them too. Jolly good value when I got mine. Coupla things:

(positive) They work just as well going anticlockwise as clockwise. If they start to dull, they have a second lease of life in a handheld drill/driver.

(positive) They cut nicely in non-ferrous metals too, usually. The first one I ever bought was intended for that (wasn't Axminster brand though).

(negative) They don't work well with small holes (which is why there are different sizes, I guess). It's down to the geometry.

(negative) They can cut rather too well in softwoods - if you plunge them with a drill press it's easy to make off-center countersinks, which is really annoying!

(negative) They are probably impossible to sharpen. At least, I've had no success, whereas I have succeeded with the traditional fluted type.

E.
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone. It is very useful and greatly appreciated. One thing that puzzles me still with respect to plugs and countersinks is that most plugs (with the exception of the very expensive Veritas ones) are straight sided whereas countersinks bevel in to the screw hole. For a really good purchase shouldn't the countersink be straight as well?
 
memzey":2qs1c3tx said:
Thanks Phil. Seems a bit strange then that some suppliers sell countersink/plug cutter combos - Trend snappy for example http://www.screwfix.com/p/trend-snappy- ... -set/11292

Have they named these wrong, are they selling times that don't go together or is there a bit more to it than that?
No, they're just a counter bore with a countersink at the bottom. It seats the screw properly and possibly helps the counter bore cut cleanly. Of course, it makes the bit dual purpose as well - you haven't got to use the counter bore part, you can just drill and countersink.
 
Cheers guys. All makes sense now. I take it these would work ok on my drill press which has a keyed Jacobs chuck?
 
I followed up on Marcos' advice and got the set from screwfix but it didn't come with a speed rating for the different size and can't find one online. Does anyone know what the right speeds are to use these?
 
It will vary by material and diameter:

Bigger hole = slower speed.

As a general rule, man-made boards and softwood = faster RPM (not necessarily faster feed speed).

Don't let the bit rub - the wood burns and the cutting edges blunt. These things don't cut sideways - if you're not making a hole perpendicular to the surface, arrange a wedge so that the bit enters wood as perpendicular as possible, AND clamp securely, so the stock can't slide around. When the bit rubs at the side of the hole and overheats it dulls-off the rim of the cutter, which is where the cutting action is most crucial.

I know someone will immediately say at this point, "but I do that just fine.", BUT I don't think these things are suitable for handheld use, except in the small sizes. I have trouble with them in a proper pillar drill. Holesaws for handheld, Forstner in pillar drills, and with care.

Whenever I use one handheld I usually regret it: I'll chew up the surface, or splinter it, or the bored hole won't be straight, etc. or it will burn the wood.

For anything smaller than 3/4" you'll get much better results with a hand-powered brace and bit (as long as the spur is properly sharp). Larger than 1": holesaw! There's nothing to stop you starting with a holesaw (to get a clean entry), then continuing with something else.

Two tips:

1. experiment on scrap to get the right speed.

2. cut a guide to clamp onto the stock over the hole. It reduces breakout, like a tight-mouthed plane does. For a very neat finish, you can scribe the circle with a sharp-point of a pair of dividers first (or a cut-off knife blade in a pair-of compasses arrangement, on a tangent), but that's a rather tricky operation - one slip and you've made matters worse than not scribing.
 
Cheers Eric - that's great advice. I will be using the Forstner bits in a drill press so hope to avoid the complications you describe that might happen during hand held use. I thought there may have been a sort of table that indicated speed of use in relation to size of bit and material but I suppose it will come down to a bit of trial and error on some bits of scrap. As a head start what speed to most people use 35mm bits when boring concealed hinge cups in MDF and the like? I imagine this is the most common use for these types of bit and will be the first thing I will be doing (well 25mm hinge today actually).
 
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