Electric vehicles

[John Brown]

I am not 'hell bent' on discrediting anything that's out there. Unlike you who appears to take anything at face value when it confirms your own prejudices, I prefer to look at the facts and figures and their accuracy and then take a view. I love your phrase 'highly likely'. In your opinion.

The best researched report that I have found is the one done by Field Dynamics and featured in the RAC report. The other reports, like that .gov one, I have seen simply take a tiny sample and then multiply it up with a bit of statistic fiddling.

The FD report assesses every building in England by using the OS MasterMap Topography layer
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Incidentally, anyone can dip into it by using the Magic.Defra website which is a brilliant research tool.

They took the average sized car, added room to open doors etc and came up with a requirement for a parking space of 3.8m x 5.4m. Their algorithms then scanned that OS data looking for properties with that size or more. Each property was then cross-referenced with anothee OS dataset - AddressBase which matches 29 million Royal Mail postal address to unique property reference numbers (UPRN). Somehow - it's not clear - they then excluded factories, public buildings etc and that then resulted in them working out how many 'potential ' parking spaces there were.
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Blue would be space for one vehicle. Pink for two. Further cross-referencing produced this interactive chart by local authority.

https://onstreetcharging.acceleratedinsightplatform.com/

And they arrived at a figure of 65%. Only it will be lower than because in that photo of the house I posted above, clearly that plot has no potential. There will be other reasons why a potential space can't be used...bus stops, street lighting etc ...and his is acknowledged in the RAC report,

So all we can say is that it will be less than 65% but by how much, no-one knows.

But one thing is for certain and that it is not 'most' properties have the potential for off-street parking.

As you say, this aspect of the topic has run its course.

What do you think "most" means, just out of curiosity?

 

[paulrbarnard]

What do you think "most" means, just out of curiosity?

From ChatGPT

The term "most" generally refers to a majority, but the exact percentage can vary based on context. In many cases, it means more than 50%. However, depending on usage and context, "most" might imply a higher percentage, such as around 60-90%, to indicate a significant majority. There is no strict numerical definition for "most," so interpretation can depend on the situation and common understanding.

I would say the use of most in the context used in this thread was accurate

 

[Spectric]

Would you rather have 2.5 tonnes of metal around you when someone drives into you or a few hundred kg? I know which I prefer. I have been rear ended in a 2 seater and t-boned in a 4x4 and I know which one felt better.

You have missed out an important factor, you need to include velocity as well. So a lighter vehicle traveling at speed could have more impact energy than a heavy vehicle traveling slower. In real terms this means that when someone pulls out that you are not able to avoid then rather than braking you should accelerate.

 

[johnb80]

In real terms this means that when someone pulls out that you are not able to avoid then rather than braking you should accelerate.

Errr, really?

 

[Vulcan]

Fortunately inadequate recharging facilities may be a short term problem. Autonomous vehicles, summoned via an app, and recharged centrally will increasingly become commonplace. Private EV ownership will decline. Many properties will need no parking spaces!

This is apparently part of Elon Musks plan. Tesla is not expected to produce vehicles for private ownership for the long term. Their first Cybercab is due for release next year I think. China being the first country most likely to adopt them. I’m not sure how common they are over there but there was an article on TV about autonomous buses already operating in China.

 

[Blackswanwood]

This is apparently part of Elon Musks plan. Tesla is not expected to produce vehicles for private ownership for the long term. Their first Cybercab is due for release next year I think. China being the first country most likely to adopt them. I’m not sure how common they are over there but there was an article on TV about autonomous buses already operating in China.

Not sure China will be first - autonomous taxis are already operating in a number of US cities.

 

[John Brown]

From ChatGPT

The term "most" generally refers to a majority, but the exact percentage can vary based on context. In many cases, it means more than 50%. However, depending on usage and context, "most" might imply a higher percentage, such as around 60-90%, to indicate a significant majority. There is no strict numerical definition for "most," so interpretation can depend on the situation and common understanding.

I would say the use of most in the context used in this thread was accurate

I can't disagree with that, but I can disagree with woodieallen, who seems to think that other people's usage is somehow mendacious.

 

[johnb80]

I can't disagree with that, but I can disagree with woodieallen, who seems to think that other people's usage is somehow mendacious.

every day a school day, I had to look up "mendacious"

Thank you!

 

[TRITON]

I had to look up "mendacious"

Me too.
Mine read
See entry under - 'Boris Johnson'

 

[johnb80]

Me too.
Mine read
See entry under - 'Boris Johnson'

Tut Tut, naughty boy...................

Poor old Bojo

Now will he have offroad parking available for his electric bike?

 

[woodieallen]

every day a school day, I had to look up "mendacious"

Thank you!

So did I

 

[woodieallen]

I can't disagree with that, but I can disagree with woodieallen, who seems to think that other people's usage is somehow mendacious.

Having looked up the word, I think you're over-reacting and seeing things that aren't actually there. If someone reads a report and accepts it at face value ...even though it might be a bit naive..how is that lying ? Misguided, yes, but lying no.

 

[Vulcan]

Not sure China will be first - autonomous taxis are already operating in a number of US cities.

I specifically said the Tesla Cybercab.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla... the,budding autonomous driving systems there.

 

[John Brown]

Having looked up the word, I think you're over-reacting and seeing things that aren't actually there. If someone reads a report and accepts it at face value ...even though it might be a bit naive..how is that lying ? Misguided, yes, but lying no.

To be honest, I have no idea what you're saying. My point is that "majority" or ",most" means more than half, and, although you might think otherwise, I think it's wrong for you to suggest that someone else is using the terminology in a misleading way. I'm not a accusing you of lying, I'm accusing you of accusing someone else if lying because they used the term. "most" in a way that I believe it is generally meant.

 

[woodieallen]

To be honest, I have no idea what you're saying. My point is that "majority" or ",most" means more than half, and, although you might think otherwise, I think it's wrong for you to suggest that someone else is using the terminology in a misleading way. I'm not a accusing you of lying, I'm accusing you of accusing someone else if lying because they used the term. "most" in a way that I believe it is generally meant.

Not at all, John. Paul Barnard answered your question as to what 'most' means in the context of this thread. It's open to interpretation, certainly, and I might disagree with the interpretation placed on it by some others. But that is not saying they are lying. I really don't see where you get this idea from.

 

[johnb80]

Oxford English Dictionary:-

most

determiner
greatest in amount, quantity, or degree.
"they've had the most success"

Similar:
nearly all
almost all
the majority
the bulk
the lion's share
the mass
the preponderance

Opposite:
little
few
pronoun
the greatest amount or quantity.
"we had the most to lose"

adverb
1. forming the superlative of adjectives and adverbs, especially those of more than one syllable.
"the most important event of my life"

2. to the greatest extent.
"the things he most enjoyed"

No doubt this will also be wrong from some quarters

 

[John Brown]

That is simply not true. Where is your evidence to support that statement ?

That's what you said. You accused him of stating something that wasn't true.

But anyway, I suggest you don't buy an EV.

 

[woodieallen]

That's what you said. You accused him of stating something that wasn't true.

But anyway, I suggest you don't buy an EV.

As I've said ad nauseam, that is not saying he is lying, is it? I'm asking for clarification as to where the figures were to support the statement.

Anyway, I'm out.

 

[GuitardoctorW7]

When it comes to flats, those that choose to live in expensive ones often have their own underground parking, which will, I’m sure, increasingly have charging facilities. From what I’ve read, those that live in social housing high rises often don’t even drive or can’t afford a car anyway. I concede though, it’s a good anti EV point of view if you want to make it,

I live in London, there's only expensive flats here. I bought my place for £59K its current value £450K, I could never afford to buy it now. The area I live is having it's heart ripped out and replaced by block after block of high rise flats, which no ordinary working person can afford to buy, and rent for 1 beds hover around the £1800-2500 per month mark. All new developments are refused parking spaces in planning applications except under exceptional circumstances.
I've been without a car for a year now thanks to ULEZ, which I get (reluctantly) my only gripe being if it wasn't good enough for London air, it shouldn't be good enough for the rest of the UK.

 

[johnb80]

I live in London, there's only expensive flats here. I bought my place for £59K its current value £450K, I could never afford to buy it now. The area I live is having it's heart ripped out and replaced by block after block of high rise flats, which no ordinary working person can afford to buy, and rent for 1 beds hover around the £1800-2500 per month mark. All new developments are refused parking spaces in planning applications except under exceptional circumstances.
I've been without a car for a year now thanks to ULEZ, which I get (reluctantly) my only gripe being if it wasn't good enough for London air, it shouldn't be good enough for the rest of the UK.

ULEZ is ridiculous, must have clean air etc etc but if pay £xx thats ok, come on in.