Domino with a router.

[stuart little]

As far as making the hole I think the Domino wins on speed and finish, as for where the hole is put I think both comparable.


Nothing wrong with dowels, been around a long time and using the dowelmax you get everything apart from speed.

I'm a Dowelmax user too, but the Chinese have cloned them now. 'Mr Dowelmax' is apparently not a happy bunny.

 

[Spectric]

I did see one of those copies, it is much cheaper but not to the same level of engineering. As you know it is the accuracy of the machining that makes it so good, the drill holes are exact and to date even with many dowels I have not had any alignment issues, a real case of you get what you pay for here and when it comes to repeated accuracy it is better than my Domino 700. I helped a guy with some issues with getting joints to close, his was a copy and the issue was that with the genuine article the holes are exact from either end of the block, on the copy they were out enough that you had to always ensure you used the same end.

 

[JobandKnock]

I'm starting to feel some nostalgia for my old Record dowelling jig - no, wait, reality check: I have a Domino

There is nothing wrong with using a decent dowelling jig other than they are slower than a Domino - and if you are trying to make a living out of woodworking speed is often a necessary evil. On any case that jig had so many loose parts...

 

[Rorschach]

I've got one of those cheap Lidl dowel jigs, I mostly bought it for the hardened drill block which I use all the time, but the jig is useful as well. Does what I need.

 

[stuart little]

I did see one of those copies, it is much cheaper but not to the same level of engineering. As you know it is the accuracy of the machining that makes it so good, the drill holes are exact and to date even with many dowels I have not had any alignment issues, a real case of you get what you pay for here and when it comes to repeated accuracy it is better than my Domino 700. I helped a guy with some issues with getting joints to close, his was a copy and the issue was that with the genuine article the holes are exact from either end of the block, on the copy they were out enough that you had to always ensure you used the same end.

Quite right Roy, before investing in my Dowelmax about 8yrs ago, I had a go at making one, but without CNC it was virtually impossible to get the accuracy required. I have made accessories for it such as spacers & angle bracket.

 

[Terrytpot]

Here we go again…just found this on my feed for a rebirth of a cheap domino alternative…
https://uueze.com/products/fixture?...lQgAdtxsU7iX_Ta58ZckWOQ0uv3pMerQydB-jjfResibo

 

[Spectric]

Is this genuine? As you have said we have been here before and to me a great concept, but a £34 price tag makes me feel very and extremely wary because it will be like the 700 domino in that it makes a nice hole but maybe not precise enough so two lines of thought. 1) Just run a mile or 2) for those who like to gamble or believe quality comes without proportional cost then throw £34 in there direction and please let us all know how it goes. Maybe for £34 you might get something as good as an xl700 who knows.

 

[Rhossydd]

Is this genuine?

Possibly, there's a lot of good cheap Chinese kit available direct, but the payment page is insecure and not actually encrypted, so no thank you.

 

[starfish]

Possibly, there's a lot of good cheap Chinese kit available direct, but the payment page is insecure and not actually encrypted, so no thank you.

aliexpress also have this


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003406129341.html

 

[Spectric]

If you look at that item then it is not electrically safe. The cable retention is lacking and the actual wires within the cable can be seen, then it uses a door handle so I would say this is nothing more than a lash up and if anyone purchases then please get the cable gland issue sorted. Maybe this is a good place to use a cordless router !

 

[Rhossydd]

aliexpress also have this

If you look closely this isn't the same item.

 

[Mickjay]

Is this genuine? As you have said we have been here before and to me a great concept, but a £34 price tag makes me feel very and extremely wary because it will be like the 700 domino in that it makes a nice hole but maybe not precise enough so two lines of thought. 1) Just run a mile or 2) for those who like to gamble or believe quality comes without proportional cost then throw £34 in there direction and please let us all know how it goes. Maybe for £34 you might get something as good as an xl700 who knows.

Don't waste your money, I bought one last year and you can cut slots with it but if you want accuracy go elsewhere. There is far too much slop in the system unfortunately. I'm pretty sure the video is using the real thing rather than the Chinese copy that gets delivered. As an aside I subsequently bought Peter Millard's Domino jig and find it excellent in use, fiddly at times but it does the job it's meant for. Obviously single size Domino but if needed I just put more in

 

[starfish]

If you look closely this isn't the same i

Basically the same without the trigger assembly - which is just screwed on - as I have a cordless makita

it looks like a copy of this Tianli Domino jig hand held mortise jig

 

[Rhossydd]

Basically the same without the trigger assembly -

Each of the three jigs referenced above are broadly similar, but each has detail differences that would make them awkward and potentially unreliable in use. There's also the issue of quality of manufacturing which would make something that should be usable an absolute nightmare if there was a lot of play in the bearing for example.

Studying these closely makes you realise just what a brilliant bit of design and engineering the actual Domino machines are. Let's hope a quality manufacturer like Makita has a more affordable domino machine ready for sale when the patents run out in 2024.

 

[johnwalls26]

I think this is an alternative : https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003022515052.html

 

[Spectric]

The concept of this tool is good, a great idea along the lines of a router plane, but great ideas and concepts are only of use if they are manufactured to a level of engineering along the lines of Woodpecker and Jessem other wise they are more trouble than they are worth. The original is I think the Tianli and that does have a realistic price and better looking quality compared to the asian "copy" with a to cheap to be true price tag.

My first thoughts are that it is based on the domino but much cheaper, the domino can make a perfect oblong mortice at a precise depth without much effort in setup, the Tiani uses a drill collar stop to set the depth and you also have to set the width of the mortice unlike the domino where the width is set and the cutter determines the size of the mortice so easier to set. The vertical alignment of the domino is good and once set does not move on the 700 but the Tiani with that very basic thumb screw onto one of the vertical columns maybe not ideal, can it remain set. Now the most important objective is to place the mortice in an exact location, can this Tiani achieve this? It again uses just an alignment mark like the domino but lacks the domino's six locators which may or may not be a bad thing. If they used an alignment system along the lines of the woodpeckers aftermarket product for the domino then it could be more accurate than a domino but the big hitter for me is build quality, it just keeps bugging me. If that was made using the linear bearings and support columns found on Jessem / Incra router lifts and with a built in alignment system that worked from the end of a workpiece then it could potentially be an amazing tool but in it's current guise I have to many reservations, maybe seeing one from Tiani in the flesh could change things.