Custom Cutters
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Colin C
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Hi Nick I would like to know why if you dont mind 
, I have not had any made so I would not know.
, I have not had any made so I would not know.
You'll love this one people. Just spoke to Titman, they will do a custom cutter, but I have to go through my 'local' supplier (best part of 30 miles away) - even to get a price, and 'We don't sell to users, only to tool companies. That has been our policy for 40 years'.
Another company stuck in the same time warp as Tilgear I fear.
Think I'll stick to Wealden for my normal needs; one 'phone call or web visit, and it's here the next morning.
Colin,
I have a need for a very particular, non-standard shape.
Another company stuck in the same time warp as Tilgear I fear.
Think I'll stick to Wealden for my normal needs; one 'phone call or web visit, and it's here the next morning.
Colin,
I have a need for a very particular, non-standard shape.
Nick W":21lo1pw8 said:
Unlike Trend, Wealden and NLS (or for that matter Tilgear), Titman are a true industrial manufacturer (the others buy-in from Israel, Italy, Germany, China, etc.) and they aren't set-up to take credit cards and deal with non-trade enquiries, so going through a dealer isn't a hassle if you already have an account with a dealer. They will generally take a drawing and give a cost/time estimate quite quickly providing you can tell them who you are dealing with. The custom cutters generally run £65 to £125 + VAT on 1/2in shank in my exerience (can be much more if the cutter is very large/complicated), but they seem to be generally a similar price but better quality than Trend from my own usage. The major downer is that most of this stuff is 6 to 8 weeks turnaround wherever you go, whereas spindle cutters are 6 to 10 working days, even in carbide tipped.
Scrit
Scrit,
What you say is, as usual, very true, and I would, other things being equal, prefer to buy from them as a British Manufacturing Company. However as they have a very thin dealer network, and won't sell direct, while they haven't exactly lost my custom ('cos I've never bought from them before), they certainly have failed to gain it. That is a shame, as it would have been a pretty easy sale, and I do seem to be building quite a reasonable collection of cutters, both router and spindle. Not a huge purchaser, but more than most I would say.
I have now ordered from NLS, and they have quoted a 3 week turnaround, so we shall see how they perform.
What you say is, as usual, very true, and I would, other things being equal, prefer to buy from them as a British Manufacturing Company. However as they have a very thin dealer network, and won't sell direct, while they haven't exactly lost my custom ('cos I've never bought from them before), they certainly have failed to gain it. That is a shame, as it would have been a pretty easy sale, and I do seem to be building quite a reasonable collection of cutters, both router and spindle. Not a huge purchaser, but more than most I would say.
I have now ordered from NLS, and they have quoted a 3 week turnaround, so we shall see how they perform.
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Nick , NLS are a great firm and have sorted my needs out where most other companys couldn't be bothered . (Trend to name one . Very unhelpful and i wont bother using them again . In fact i will go out of my way to buy a fraud router cutter rather than a trend one ) :twisted:
I can only sing praises for NLS , quick turn around and a spot on cutter . So spot on they put bits in there i didn't know where on the paint covered mould until i looked at the end grain sample !
I can only sing praises for NLS , quick turn around and a spot on cutter . So spot on they put bits in there i didn't know where on the paint covered mould until i looked at the end grain sample !
Colin C
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Sorry just one question
How is NLS and what are they details please
How is NLS and what are they details please
Nick W":3dz8rpxh said:
I'm curious then why you are after a router cutter in this instance, rather than getting some spindle blades ground. You obviously have a good reason, but I can't work out what it is.
Nick W":alqf01o5 said:
Their network is predominently commercial/industrial and they are well known in the CNC and Corian markets where people tend to buy hundreds or even thousands of pounds of tooling at a go. For example I tend to buy my dowel boring bits in tens (i.e. £150+ a punt) but get them next day, even if some are from my supplier and the rest from Titman themselves. Titman do, however, sell through most of the saw doctors and sharpening services in the North of England (so presumably they have southern agents, after all they are n Clacton-on-Sea in Essex) as well as some of the professional machinery suppliers (same is true of Freud these days). In fact I know of 7 or 8 suppliers in my own patch (or at least within 40 miles). They are just approaching a different market to Trend.
If anyone would like a Titman dealer who carries stock and does mail order might I suggest JMJ Woodworking Machinery at Skidby near Hull? Din't know if they do credit cards, but Steve in the Tooling Dept knows what he's about and he'll get specials delivered mail order to you fromTitman without going through JMJ (this is standard Titman service). BTW I have no association with JMJ other than being a satisfied customer.
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Colin,
You will find NLS Tools here
Jake,
I need a router cutter because part of the job is to apply the moulding to a concave curve that a spindle moulder won't get into, and the shape is such that it won't come out of a standard 40/50mm knife, and I don't have a suitable block to carry a knife of the right shape. There, 3 reaso ns for the price of one :lol:
You will find NLS Tools here
Jake,
I need a router cutter because part of the job is to apply the moulding to a concave curve that a spindle moulder won't get into, and the shape is such that it won't come out of a standard 40/50mm knife, and I don't have a suitable block to carry a knife of the right shape. There, 3 reaso ns for the price of one :lol:
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Hi Nick,
Perhaps you've already considered this. But many times, what at first seems like a complex single moulding, can be achieved with a combination of smaller, standard bits, and even some angled cuts on a table saw, as part of the overall shape. As it's a curved piece, tablesaw cutting obviously won't come into play. But have you considered how it might be done with a combination of bits in one piece or in a build-up of mouldings?
Brad
Perhaps you've already considered this. But many times, what at first seems like a complex single moulding, can be achieved with a combination of smaller, standard bits, and even some angled cuts on a table saw, as part of the overall shape. As it's a curved piece, tablesaw cutting obviously won't come into play. But have you considered how it might be done with a combination of bits in one piece or in a build-up of mouldings?
Brad
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Thanks for the hints, but it is not a complex moulding, just a particular one, and the radius of the concave parts to which I need to apply the moulding is too small for a spindle moulder head, and because it is concave a vertical profile cutter won't cut the mustard.
It has just occurred to me that I ought to post the results of this thread.
I was making a low chest of drawers, with cushioned drawer fronts, and the same moulding applied to the top (both sides) and feet. Here it is:
One of the feet
The drawer fronts
Figure in the top
It is made of Sapele with a waxed garnet shellac finish.
In the end I went for the NLS option (it was cheapest). The cutter came within the time they estimated, to spec, and worked very well, with a good rake angle on the blades. My only quibble might be with the quality of the ground finish on the profile of the blades, but they cut nice and cleanly, which is what counts, so overall I am very happy with the product.
I was making a low chest of drawers, with cushioned drawer fronts, and the same moulding applied to the top (both sides) and feet. Here it is:
One of the feet
The drawer fronts
Figure in the top
It is made of Sapele with a waxed garnet shellac finish.
In the end I went for the NLS option (it was cheapest). The cutter came within the time they estimated, to spec, and worked very well, with a good rake angle on the blades. My only quibble might be with the quality of the ground finish on the profile of the blades, but they cut nice and cleanly, which is what counts, so overall I am very happy with the product.
