Craft work is NOT creative!!!!!!!!!!

[Togalosh]

T0ssp0tts one n all.

Yet again we have wallies messing about trying to reorganise something that someone else had reorganised before that & so on & so on....do these beaurocrats have some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder ?

When we get out of this recession it will be inspite of them.

signed

 

[brianhabby]

do these beaurocrats have some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder ?

They have to keep coming up with stuff like this otherwise they would have nothing to do and be on the dole. They have to justify their existence.

regards

Brian

 

[Gary Morris]

Thanks Alex, sorry for the delay

 

[Bodrighy]

and now you've all signed up to it giving your names and addresses they can investigate whether or not you make an income out of your 'hobby' and such tax you accordingly.

nice

and that is a problem? only if you are moonlighting. There are dozens of ways to find out info about someone so this will make little or no difference to that.

pete

 

[JakeS]

I shouldn't worry about that. You'd need joined-up government for that to happen. Government hasn't been joined-up in Britain since about World War Two.

That was my first thought, but then I realised that to investigate everyone who signed, they'd have to spend an order of magnitude more money than they could ever hope to realise in tax revenue. So they'll almost certainly do it!

 

[Giff]

Not sure if I missed the point in the post, but what has money got to do with whether it is creative or not ? Was that the point, do you have to be earning money from woodworking for it to be creative or not..

 

[Jelly]

Not sure if I missed the point in the post, but what has money got to do with whether it is creative or not ? Was that the point, do you have to be earning money from woodworking for it to be creative or not..

You missed the point... The discussion is about whether craftspeople are considered to be in the Manufacturing and Process or Creative sectors when it comes to bureaucratic issues related to commerce. If you're not selling your work, it's not commercial and thus wholly outside the scope of the consultation.

 

[Giff]

Thought so....sorry to have mis-read it...thought it was more to do with the definition in the dictionary :-0

 

[Cheshirechappie]

I may be entirely wrong, but my suspicion is that this is the result of a political battle for public subsidies. Large parts of the 'Arts Establishment' can only survive on public money, so it is very much in their interests to knobble the competition for public largesse in times of squeeze on government spending. The Arts Establishment are deeply entrenched, unlike the Crafts who, for the most part, have traditionally preferred to get on with making things. It's nothing new - the fight to establish the Crafts Council was long and bitter back in Edward Barnsley's day, and the Design Council has more recently been hijacked by the Arts mob, to the point where James Dyson, a founding force and financial backer of the Design Council, left in disgust.

The Arts Establishment exist solely for their own self-perpetuation on public largesse, and fight bitterly any possible dilution of their subsidies.

Personally, I think that all public subsidy of Arts and Crafts should be abolished. The crafts would be well able to organise themselves, and the Arts should learn to survive on private patronage, as they did until the middle of the last century. That would almost certainly improve quality, as well.

 

[Eric The Viking]

Phil.p answered his own comment really: applying to a farcical institution like the Tate to hold an exhibition of skill (at any type of art) would always be turned down. They only do pretentious nonsense -- art with a capital F at the front.

Art has been turned from a pastime, that only a few brilliant people can make a living at, into a huge public-funded industry. We have more meejuh students in college courses than there are jobs in the entire UK industry (10x the annual vacancies), and we have theatre companies putting on productions few go to see in regional theatres - playing to houses of a dozen or fewer people.

Why are we funding this from taxes? If I demanded to be paid by the government for making rubbish furniture, or for my nightly gargling performances (I will happily relocate my 'performance space' from my bathroom to a stage near you), would that be right too?

Y'know what? in these days of the internet, why can't all Arts Council funding be decided by public vote? Put all the applications on a web site and fund them in proportion to the votes they get. One proviso: people should be allowed to click a "no, don't fund this" button too.

Where's that petition... Grrrr.

E.