Core tool kit

[iNewbie]

.... think Newton might have something to say about the likelyhood anything rolling off a level bench.

He'd patiently explain to you that they could get nudged. I've only seen one, and that had a chipped wheel. 100% failure rate!

The Stanley wooden gauge, 5061, is easily the best design of its type and any argument against it is rather purile. It is distilled to the simplest form it could be, ....

No it's not as simple as the standard model - it has one more component with no particular gain that I can see. I'm sure it works perfectly but so do the others.

Why are so many on here so desperate to traduce the ordinary marking gauge, as used happily by millions over many generations - back to the Mary Rose (see above) and no doubt much older? "Cheap crude and nasty, maybe ok for site workers" according to one poster! It's a phenomenon in it's own right, which accounts for the length of this thread I guess.

I rest my case - on a sloping bench...

 

[Doug B]

Hello,

It could be knocked off the bench, but in the 10 years I've enjoyed my wheel gauge, it has never rolled off, ever. To be fair, I'm not on board ship, so cannot comment in other situations than my LEVEL bench.

My bench is also level, unfortunately it also tends to get a little crowded & tools can & do occasionally get knocked from it, round tools being more prone to rolling off than the more not so round tools.

I think Newton might have something to say about the likelyhood anything rolling off a level bench.

Like "anything rolling off a bench will land heaviest end downhill & if that end has a hardened cutting wheel on it it will get chipped" or was his 4th law that of sod, either way I can confirm the marking wheel chips very nicely, thanks Mr Newton!!

 

[Ed Bray]

God knows what Jacob would think of one of my marking gauges?

http://www.igagingstore.com/AccuMarking ... 205149.htm

Like any item it could get accidently knocked off a bench, but it certainly isn't going to roll off :lol:

 

[undergroundhunter]

God knows what Jacob would think of one of my marking gauges?

http://www.igagingstore.com/AccuMarking ... 205149.htm

Like any item it could get accidently knocked off a bench, but it certainly isn't going to roll off :lol:

Wow igaging have gone barking mad, why would anyone need a digital marking gauge :?: :?: :?:
I'm not sure about anyone else but one of the reasons I like hand tool woodworking is because I work with computers and technology all day every day and to have a few hours a week without anything electrical frying my brain (except the radio and a light) is very relaxing.


Matt

 

[Racers]

People with poor eye sight (like me as I get older) find digital gauges easier to read, plus the ability to zero the reading is useful.

Can't say I would buy one at the moment but some time in the future I might.

Pete

 

[undergroundhunter]

People with poor eye sight (like me as I get older) find digital gauges easier to read, plus the ability to zero the reading is useful.

Can't say I would buy one at the moment but some time in the future I might.

Pete

I can understand the need on something like a micrometer or a vernier caliper where good eyesight is a must for accuracy but why on a marking gauge. Does anyone ever need to mark anything in wood that accurately with a gauge? If you have I would be interested to hear what the situation was.

Matt

 

[woodbrains]

Hello,

A crowded bench is not the fault of the gauge, and if the cause of accidental droppage through knocking off, not restricted to one gauge over another. Knocking gauges off Crowded benches should be avoided, anyway, their settings become a nonsense once bashed. Tidy up!

IIRC the earlier incarnation of the Stanley 5061 had a D shaped shaft opposite the screw. The addition of the pad does have a good use; it protects the shaft from bruising and increases accuracy. A very bruised shaft is often difficult to set accurately, due to the screw 'finding' an existing hollow and moving into it, rather than following your intention. It also means the shaft does not need to very accurately match the mortice, variations in manufacture, seasonal changes abuse, are all mitigated and accuracy always ensured with a very humble plastic pad.

Mike.

 

[Racers]

People with poor eye sight (like me as I get older) find digital gauges easier to read, plus the ability to zero the reading is useful.

Can't say I would buy one at the moment but some time in the future I might.

Pete

I can understand the need on something like a micrometer or a vernier caliper where good eyesight is a must for accuracy but why on a marking gauge. Does anyone ever need to mark anything in wood that accurately with a gauge? If you have I would be interested to hear what the situation was.

Matt

Like I said its easier to read, that to me is the main advantage.

Pete

 

[Ed Bray]

The digital gauge was cheaper than the Quangsheng gauge I got and you don't actually have to use the display if you don't want. It works well, and does have a nice shoulder to ride against the wood.

 

[Chip shop]

What no rasps? More rasps? Different rasps?

Forgot nail pullers and of course four and six foot spirit levels don't live in box :wink: .

No rasps in my core kit. Maybe I've missed a trick. Interesting thread though. My need to have tools are (and I'm sure I'll miss some out):

Chisels; 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" & 1"

Planes: No 4 & 5 Record + Chinese block.

Hammers: pin hammer, chisel hammer & claw hammer (shuttering hammer)

Sharpening: Oilstone in it's quaint little box

Screw drivers: Loads of 'em, plus one big arsed unit for opening paint cans

Marking & measuring: 12" rule, a couple of Stanley tapes. Bahco combi square and a combi marking guage.

Other stuff would include a slate ripper, slate cutter and a drum of Acrypol.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

It might be interesting to for people to list what they've actually done without? I've managed 45yrs without a combination square, a bradawl, a No.5, or a block plane.

 

[bridger]

It might be interesting to for people to list what they've actually done without? I've managed 45yrs without a combination square, a bradawl, a No.5, or a block plane.

As soon as I can figure out what tools I'm missing out on I'm going to go get one...

 

[Doug B]

A crowded bench is not the fault of the gauge

This is true, mainly the fault of a busy woodworker trying to earn a living.

and if the cause of accidental droppage through knocking off, not restricted to one gauge over another.

It's more the roundness of this gauge only needing the slightest movement to get it rolling that's the problem, I don't think I've ever knocked a wooden gauge off the bench. :|

Knocking gauges off Crowded benches should be avoided, anyway, their settings become a nonsense once bashed. Tidy up!

I will have to try harder or just not use round gauges or better still just get Jacob to clean up for me as I go along :?

 

[Corneel]

A tool I've never owned is an axe.

Should remedy that sooner then later.

 

[Jacob]

So on the whole (not expecting to have the last word) I'd say this thread has gone some way to rescuing the reputation of the humble marking gauge and putting the wheel gauge in it's proper place i.e. steam punk fashion accessory but too heavy for ear rings.
Where do you wear yours, or do you just keep it in a sock?

 

[iNewbie]

It's not about the tools...

 

[bugbear]

IIRC the earlier incarnation of the Stanley 5061 had a D shaped shaft opposite the screw.

No; at the risk of introducing more facts into this threa, here's the patent

http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPa ... 541&type=D

BugBear

 

[Jacob]

There you go - 1950, just at the point of most rapid change from hand to machine work, too late!
Neat design (brass face set in?) but not enough of an improvement on the older patterns to generate big sales.

 

[bugbear]

There you go - 1950, just at the point of most rapid change from hand to machine work, too late!
Neat design (brass face set in?) but not enough of an improvement on the older patterns to generate big sales.

I don't like brass insets on things; they normally end up standing proud when the wood shrinks. I'd go for either a full brass face, or none.

How are those "variation" photos coming along? I'm still interested. (The more tool designs, the better IMHO).

BugBear

 

[PAC1]

The cure for them rolling off the bench is a very old device called a tool well. The modern approach is to up end the gauge and place the pointy end in a dog hole. If you have Veritas round dog holes they are perfect. I fail to see how Veritas are responsible for you knocking the gauge off your bench and you can knock wooden ones off your bench just as easy