copyright puzzle

[devonwoody]

copyright problem for me.

A friend of mine purchases a music dvd and plays it on his dvd player in my presence, I assume he has not broken copyright laws?


He puts it on his PC (uses WMP) and invites me then to listen to the music again and I am using one of those pieces of software that lets me use his computer at the same time as he is listening.

I dont reckon copyright has been broken.

 

[Lons]

copyright problem for me.

A friend of mine purchases a music dvd and plays it on his dvd player in my presence, I assume he has not broken copyright laws?


He puts it on his PC (uses WMP) and invites me then to listen to the music again and I am using one of those pieces of software that lets me use his computer at the same time as he is listening.

I dont reckon copyright has been broken.

Probably it has but it isn't enforceable so I doubt you'll get PC Plod tapping your shoulder :lol: :lol:

 

[defsdoor]

You haven't copied it.

 

[devonwoody]

You haven't copied it.

So if my associate has a few thousand dvds on his pc and I go in and listen to any of them I am at the same position that I mentioned earlier?

Not that I want to listen to the rubbish they call music these days.

 

[cambournepete]

You haven't copied it.

So if my associate has a few thousand dvds on his pc and I go in and listen to any of them I am at the same position that I mentioned earlier?

As long as you listen to them in his home I don't see that there's a problem.
If you share them somehow (across the web, disc copy, etc) then I suspect there's a problem.
I'm assuming here he has the originals. If not then you could both be in trouble...

 

[monkeybiter]

Just as long as you don't remember the music in any detail, if you can remember it then you have mentally recorded it which may count as thought crime :shock: If you then hum it or whistle it you may also need a license from the council. :wink:

 

[Mark A]

may count as thought crime

Sounds like something the Stasi would think up

 

[LancsRick]

Presume this is a thought exercise as opposed to a serious question?

As long as you are in a private residence then you're fine - typically there is a caveat about these things being used for public exhibition, but in a private property that's irrelevant.

The fact that he's got them on his PC is actually more of an issue with the wonderful UK copyright laws we have, since that part is actually a breach of copyright in the UK! Daft law which isn't enforceable and I believe there are motions afoot in parliament to get it updated.

 

[devonwoody]

LR, but the pc is his dvd player!

 

[wobblycogs]

As far as I am aware format shifting, as it is known, is still not legal in the UK (but there are plans to change that apparently: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14372698) so if he has copied the music to his PC then he's technically breaking the law. However, if he's just playing the CD in his computer for his own consumption he's safe.

You listening to the CD remotely, I would guess, would put him back on the wrong side of the law - irrespective of how you are listening to it. The owners of the copyright almost certainly won't allow for broadcasting of any kind.

Yes it's totally daft. The two of you standing in the same room listening to it and the two of you listening to it over the internet is effectively the same but no one said the law had to make any sense.

Either way your realistic chance of being caught is as good as zero. There are people who download copyright music and films all day everyday and they don't get caught. It's safe to say it's pretty much a free for all.

 

[studders]

Ironic that Microsoft, so set against copying of any of their stuff, make copying other peoples easier and easier.

 

[Benchwayze]

Just as long as you don't remember the music in any detail, if you can remember it then you have mentally recorded it which may count as thought crime :shock: If you then hum it or whistle it you may also need a license from the council. :wink:

Thought crime.... 8)
'Do it to her! Do it to her!'

Orwell 1984! (I think!)

 

[Hudson Carpentry]

How about if I was to put a CD in my media player thats in the cinema of my registered commercial space. This space is connected to my house but the only way to get in (now for kid and her pissing me off reasons) is by leaving the house and walking through the front door of the commercial space. Then went in to the house (registered domestic space) and accessed and listened to said CD via a console or laptop.

Ok to make things more complicated I have a business internet router and network in commercial space and personal internet router and network in house. These two networks are connected via cable for hi speed transfer of files and if one internet goes down we are still connected to the outside world. Now if I was to listen to said CD via the cable connection and not via internet, even though there in two differently registered spaces, would that be copyright.

Ok to make it even more complicated what if the laptop I was using in the house was connected wireless to the personal router but was configured with an IP in the commercial space so still part of the business network and was even using the business router for internet and really only using the personal router as an access point. Is this still remote listening and copyright?

Ok simple it down a bit. If I was in the house and connected wirelessly to business router (not really possible its a good 40+ ft away from outside house wall) and im listening to the CD?

 

[devonwoody]

I still reckon if you can listen to a dvd player at your friends house free of copyright you can listen to his wmp at his house even if you are doing it with that connection I originally posted. (using software that allows entry into his computer)

They didnt have that software when the copyright was written :wink:

 

[monkeybiter]

So HC if I park outside your registered premises and connect to your wifi router with my laptop [with my pirated hacking software] should I report you for broadcasting copyrighted materials?

 

[DIY Stew]

I purchase a CD from Itunes and transfer that CD onto a flash drive which I plug into car and play through car CD player, I also transfer a purchased CD on to the same flash drive,am I breaking any copyright laws because I've been doing this for a long time now.
#-o

Stew

 

[petermillard]

How about if I was to put a CD in my media player thats in the cinema of my registered commercial space...

Unless you have a licence from the Performing Rights Society to play music at work - more details here - than that's a breach right there. Crazy, I know...

I purchase a CD from Itunes and transfer that CD onto a flash drive which I plug into car and play through car CD player, I also transfer a purchased CD on to the same flash drive,am I breaking any copyright laws because I've been doing this for a long time now.

If it was a CD that you've ripped to e.g. MP3 then under the current laws, yes (as am I, and pretty much everyone else in the UK with an iPod) though the copyright law was under review late last year with changes proposed that would change the situation; AFAIK this hasn't happened yet, though. If it was already a digital file (AAC or MP3) from iTunes, then I'm not sure, as you're not format-shifting - though the fact that you're copying it to another device (flash drive) rather than moving it may make it an offense - can't remember what the legal situation is with copies held for backup??

Cheers, Pete

 

[t8hants]

Darn shame I can't get paid every time someone uses one of my gates!

G

 

[Hudson Carpentry]

Are you connected to the business or house network?

 

[monkeybiter]

Unless you have a licence from the Performing Rights Society to play music at work - more details here - than that's a breach right there. Crazy, I know...
Cheers, Pete

So as a hobby woodturner I can listen to what I like while I turn, but what if a mate later comes round and asks if he can buy one of my pieces of dubious quality. Should I then retrospectively apply for a license before I can sell him the lump?

Darn shame I can't get paid every time someone uses one of my gates!
G

So why is that some singer sings a song and then 'earns' every time the song is played for the next 70? years, without any further effort, yet some arguably more talented artist, eg one of the many talented craftsmen on here, can create a piece as a result of more effort, more training, more thought and yet get paid less in the first place and then never again. No wonder the gravy train industry is firing all barrels. :evil: