Builders' skips and a new measurement scale

[RogerS]

LOL...not quite....get them to reduce the fee and then load it up compacting the earth down with the digger. You know you've got your money's worth when they have to put the jacks down to lift the skip onto the lorry

 

[Benchwayze]

My council (N Norfolk) wont take the shredded paper from the shredder in the recycling bin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That'll be because when you shred it, you've cut the fibres and made it unsuitable for recycling as paper if it gets mixed with the ordinary paper the whole lot is unrecyclable.

Alan

Alan,

That doesn't seem to make sense.
From what I was told, which must surely be right, the first process for recycling paper is shredding. Then it's soaked into a form of Papier Mashe, before it goes on to be mixed with a certain amount of virgin wood chippings.

I could be wrong, but that's what I was told. If I was misinformed then, I'll just put my shreddies on the compost heap.


John

 

[jasonB]

Ours will take shredded paper provided you put it in a paper bag before it goes into teh blue recycling bag, apparently it blows about if you don't and causes a litter problem.

Or just put it in a skip under 6yds of compacted soil :wink:

Jason

 

[Lons]

OK Roger

My skip is:- 3.7m long x 1.8m wide x 1.3m high (extremities) Is the usual 8 yd skip size I use regularly so looks like you've been short changed :roll:

Bob

 

[Woody Alan]

Alan,

That doesn't seem to make sense.
From what I was told, which must surely be right, the first process for recycling paper is shredding. Then it's soaked into a form of Papier Mashe, before it goes on to be mixed with a certain amount of virgin wood chippings.

No I agree it doesn't seem to make sense, but you said it yourself " shredding" is actually ripping apart etc, wheras shredding at home (by machine) is cutting the paper and thus the fibres are "cut" . two different interpretations of shredding but only one can reform paper.

Alan

 

[RogerS]

Thanks Bob...off to battle tomorrow.

 

[devonwoody]

Roger, its the same game as the food bin scenario I was discussing on the waste disposal, you have got to have less of all waste these days, and if you have got more you will finish up paying for it.

I think our local mayor at home is going to get some visitors from the fly tippers!

 

[RogerS]

Me: "Good morning, thanks for dropping the skip round. I'm a bit confused as your paperwork says it is an 8 cu yd skip but it's only 6 cu yd. Presumably you'll only be charging for a 6 cu yd skip"
Them: "We don't do 6 cu yd skips."

Me: "I agree. That's what your paperwork says. But I've just measured it and it's only 6 cu yd."
Them: more stroppily..."What were you quoted for"

Me: "Just under £200 inc VAT"
Them: "Did you get a quote from us for a 6 cu yd skip?"

Me: "No....."
Them: "That's because we don't do them"

Me: "Why does your paperwork say 8 cu yd when it's only 6 cu yd?"
Them: "Tell you what...you only fill it level to the top and I'll only charge you for 6 cu yd. I'll knock of £14"

Me: now thoroughly pi**ed off....."I'll tell you what I'm going to do. As soon as I've finished this call, I'll be calling Trading Standards"
Them: "Don't put anything in that skip. We don't want you to use it"

Mmmmm... I don't think so as I need a skip for tomorrow first thing. Still going to contact Trading Standards.

 

[kmcleod]

That'll be because when you shred it, you've cut the fibres and made it unsuitable for recycling as paper if it gets mixed with the ordinary paper the whole lot is unrecyclable.


Alan - thats not strickly true, as the entire pulping process for taking recycled papaer and making fresh involves breaking it down, into something akin to a thick paste,,,then it is extruded into rolls using a papermaking machine called a fourdriner press,,,

 

[Dibs-h]

Me: "Good morning, thanks for dropping the skip round. I'm a bit confused as your paperwork says it is an 8 cu yd skip but it's only 6 cu yd. Presumably you'll only be charging for a 6 cu yd skip"
Them: "We don't do 6 cu yd skips."

Me: "I agree. That's what your paperwork says. But I've just measured it and it's only 6 cu yd."
Them: more stroppily..."What were you quoted for"

Me: "Just under £200 inc VAT"
Them: "Did you get a quote from us for a 6 cu yd skip?"

Me: "No....."
Them: "That's because we don't do them"

Me: "Why does your paperwork say 8 cu yd when it's only 6 cu yd?"
Them: "Tell you what...you only fill it level to the top and I'll only charge you for 6 cu yd. I'll knock of £14"

Me: now thoroughly pi**ed off....."I'll tell you what I'm going to do. As soon as I've finished this call, I'll be calling Trading Standards"
Them: "Don't put anything in that skip. We don't want you to use it"

Mmmmm... I don't think so as I need a skip for tomorrow first thing. Still going to contact Trading Standards.

Bloody hell £200 - prices are a bit high these days. :shock:

Thankfully got the nbr of a local'ish firm that turns up with a 18ton or whatever truck - the kind you see transporting gravel, etc. and a grabber. Full load for £180.

 

[Woody Alan]

I guess I should have said, "it make's it unsuitable for recycling and not added "unrecyclable".
Quote
"Some local authorities will not collect shredded paper. This is because although, technically, shredded paper can be recycled, some paper mills cannot take it. There are two main reasons for this;

the average fibre length paper has decreases with shredding, and thus paper made from it will be weaker, and
shredded paper can be difficult to handle at the mill and depending on the equipment there, it can cause maintenance problems and fire hazards."

As I said, it's the cut fibres that make it unsuitable. This information is on all recycling websites. Some places take it but it goes into the recycled cardboard not paper.

Alan

 

[kmcleod]

The issue isnt the shredded paper,,,its the paper mill's not being setup to process the paper......

and it goes into cardboard because that is cheaper to make than paper that would require lots of bleaching, adding optical brighteners, etc etc.

The fundamental problem with recycling and councils in the UK was that they all charged ahead with various schemes working to various levels, but no one thought to check that the backend infrastructure was in place.

Paper being a good example, the past couple of year when the re-sale value of paper waste went throught the floor meant that it was cheaper for paper mills to use imported pulp rather than recycled waste, now the pulp has gotten more expensive again, they are using recycled waste, meanwhile all the companies who collected it have gone to the wall,,so no supply chain...

 

[RogerS]

Yup..grab hires are brilliant.

How's the hand?

 

[Dibs-h]

Yup..grab hires are brilliant.

How's the hand?

Bloody hard pulling my pants up one handed - I can tell you!

I have a little more feeling in the finger - it's just the outer edge and a little down the back and front that's dead. I suspect that's down to the reduced swelling, etc. Movement is fine - just a little more tender in the palm - they've cut up more of the palm to get in there and repair the nerve. Go back to the Hand Clinic on Thurs and hopefully have the wrapping off. The nerves regenerate at just over 1mm a day - so with it being just over a week by then - it will be interesting to see if there is improved sensation just past the original cut.

Am back at work now - just too hard being at home, knowing the 'shop is round the back! :wink: With stuff that needs doing but will stay out till Thurs at least, tho!