Bringing goods from the EU

[Danieljw]

Interesting. If it is true then what's the motive? To establish dominance of Chinese companies?

If it is true!!!!
Really!!!
Even goods labelled "made in england" "made in europe" are done so by Chinese companies that have set up companies in the UK and or Europe...
The east does not need to go to war...
It simply has to own your economy..
The job is already done.
Perhaps an insight would be a quick study of the United buscuit company...

 

[Jake]

I see Johnson's summary to Marr of what Brexit offers to the left behind was (i) banning pulse fishing and (ii) freeports.

 

[Noel]

I see Johnson's summary to Marr of what Brexit offers to the left behind was (i) banning pulse fishing and (ii) freeports.

It that the same Pulse fishing that several EU states banned a few years ago?

Freeports? Like those that were in Southampton, Liverpool, Tilbury and many other places until quite recently?

 

[Jacob]

According to this What is a free port? All you need to know about the free-trade zones freeports could create 150,000 jobs. Presumably this reflects some of the extra work and bureaucracy created by Brexit.
They didn't sell brexit as a job creation scheme - obviously missed a trick - just think of Farages garages for starters!
PS if job creation was the thing they could have just banned a few cranes and brought in the stevedores!

 

[doctor Bob]

I see Johnson's summary to Marr of what Brexit offers to the left behind was (i) banning pulse fishing and (ii) freeports.

Interesting, I never saw the interview, I have just watched the 5pm ish news on BBC and ITV and it looked very much like a "covid" interview, neither even mentioned brexit, neither anchors or roving reporters, just coronavirus. Keir interviewed he never mentioned brexit. Looks like Brexit is now far less newsworthy. I guess they are right Brexit looks like a molehill compared with the pandemic.

Quite right too, its getting very serious.

 

[billw]

Don't forget that Weetabix are Chinese now too! Edit : oh wait, they sold it to the Americans.

 

[TRITON]

Both my nephews are economists.

Conversation around the dinner table is - according to them - The economy is fecked.

 

[Rorschach]

Both my nephews are economists.

Conversation around the dinner table is - according to them - The economy is fecked.

Isn't that always what economists say though? They would do themselves out of a job otherwise

 

[billw]

Isn't that always what economists say though? They would do themselves out of a job otherwise

Economists are like weather presenters - they tell you what'll happen in the future and if it doesn't they'll just say it was only a prediction. Can't lose!

 

[doctor Bob]

Both my nephews are economists.

Conversation around the dinner table is - according to them - The economy is fecked.

I can go with that, pandemic has wiped £6700,000,000,000 off the gobal economy, brexit success or failure is miniscule.

 

[Rorschach]

Economists are like weather presenters - they tell you what'll happen in the future and if it doesn't they'll just say it was only a prediction. Can't lose!

At least a weather presenter will predict nice weather as well as bad though, economists seem to be either bad, or worse.

 

[Jake]

I guess they are right Brexit looks like a molehill compared with the pandemic.

Quite right too, its getting very serious.

He's hopeless at that too unfortunately, basically incapable of leading anything anywhere apart from into a blind alley out of which he needs to reverse, over and over again.

 

[Jake]

I can go with that, pandemic has wiped £6700,000,000,000 off the gobal economy, brexit success or failure is miniscule.

You cannot switch from a short term external hit to a long term internal hindrance like that. We will uniquely still have the latter. And (like all other economies) be fighting the former.

 

[AJB Temple]

Im my experience (in the City) economists are either pessimists, or pedlars of analysis of what has already happened. An optimistic economist, or one who believes he or she can forecast, becomes a "trader". If they are more often right than wrong they get employed by hedge funds.

 

[RobinBHM]

EU agricultural dumping: Stop the Dumping! How EU agricultural subsidies are damaging livelihoods in the developing world - Oxfam Policy & Practice

Mind you, Oxfam is more of an MI6 policy implementation system than charity, so it's probably just politics rather than serious objection to EU practices. If you are lucky the EU will dump lots of cheap excess production into the UK, and you will get lower prices in Tescos. It won't help UK farmers, but there aren't enough of them to be a voting block, so who cares? Eat the rich!

That Oxfam article is 20 years old.
The EU has developed everything but arms trade preferences which the poor regions of Africa benefit from.

UK farming is ar risk from USA not EU.

 

[doctor Bob]

You cannot switch from a short term external hit to a long term internal hindrance like that. We will uniquely still have the latter. And (like all other economies) be fighting the former.

Your opinions are your own Jake, if you think the pandemics effect is short term I hope you are right. Personally I think the effects will last for a generation or two.

 

[RobinBHM]

I think the one think to come out of brexit is that these days, argueing for 4 years on an internet forum brings out the worst in people (me included) achieves nothing, no one changed their mind, and the debate is never ending, it's never over whilst people want one upmanship. On a forum people don't want to give up, be proved wrong, listen to other views, read diverse arguements written by unlike minds.
Yet on more rational topics most are quite open.
I have read and follwed this thread with interest, as I do on a bigger forum where the influence is more pro brexit. It follows exactly the same path but reverse as more posts are pro, where as here most are against.
It's just a numbers game as to who dominates the forum, it therefore encourages more posts as the winning feeling is there ....................... Just my opinion.

I don't want one upmanship, I want the pro Brexit govt and media to stop lying

Yesterday's Telegraph had an article about VAT on sanitary products....a lie (Tories voted against it 5 years ago)

Johnson yesterday stated UK has banned pulse fishing (was banned by EU in 1998, reprieve in 2010 for UK and Dutch, now perm ban by EU this year )

Johnson yesterday stated UK could have freeports .....we always could.

 

[RobinBHM]

The Chinese government subsidises, or pays entirely, for shipping costs of stuff we buy from Banggood, AliExpress et al. Unless we wake up and start to support local manufacturing they will have no competition eventually. Then look out.

I believe a bigger problem is the Chinese sellers on eBay don't put on VAT making it impossible for UK businesses to compete.

 

[billw]

Your opinions are your own Jake, if you think the pandemics effect is short term I hope you are right. Personally I think the effects will last for a generation or two.

Agree Bob, the pandemic will lead to people working longer to make up their pensions, with less jobs surviving overall, the lower paid jobs (that the young generally do) becoming scarcer which leads to long-term unemployment and lack of opportunity.

Somehow the government has to figure out a plan of paying off all this debt, although the global consensus seems to be that countries can simply be on the never-never for the long term. We didn't pay off the WW1 debts until 2015, and WW2 was only done by 2006. The levels of borrowing for the pandemic are enormous. Governments don't have money of their own, they can only raise taxation revenues. It's quite scary for the future generations.

 

[billw]

I believe a bigger problem is the Chinese sellers on eBay don't put on VAT making it impossible for UK businesses to compete.

Every purchase I've made on Amazon (sorry can't compare to ebay directly) from a Chinese seller has been accompanied by a VAT invoice. I'm not sure the problem is as significant as it seems.