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jimi43

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Hi Guys and Gals...

My mother has asked me to make her a beehive for her back garden.

Has anyone had any experience of building one?

She would just like to attract the bees with the correct flowers...which she knows about...and have them live nearby so she can watch them at work. If she happens to collect some honey in the process that would be a bonus.

I am presently trolling Google but thought someone here might have some advice...

Cheers

Jim
 
Thanks super...

Of the plans that you have researched....which do you consider suitable for a long narrow garden in the suburbs? My mother regularly wins Kent In Bloom prizes etc...and has a really nice garden but it is long and thin....about as wide as a semi.

Any help you can give gratefully received. It is her 75th birthday in three weeks and I want to surprise her and start making shavings....

Jim
 
Adam, a former moderator was into all things bees and was somewhat of an expert on them, but unfortunately I do not think he has been around for a while. If he does look in hopefully he will see your post.

Cheers

Mike
 
I am no expert, this is just something I would love to get into. The whole thing fascinates me. I really don't know enough about it to give good advice.


Found these plans if any help?

http://www.woodworkersworkshop.com/reso ... hp?cat=402

I don't have a lot of spare time to get into it as much as I would like just now, but I have seen a little 'bee house' suitable for any garden. Similar to a large bird box size. I'm thinking I might give that a try this year.
 
superunknown":27v7oid9 said:
I am no expert, this is just something I would love to get into. The whole thing fascinates me. I really don't know enough about it to give good advice.


Found these plans if any help?

http://www.woodworkersworkshop.com/reso ... hp?cat=402

I don't have a lot of spare time to get into it as much as I would like just now, but I have seen a little 'bee house' suitable for any garden. Similar to a large bird box size. I'm thinking I might give that a try this year.

I saw those plans earlier...my worry is that they are all American...and I am worried that they may have imperial rather than metric bees!!

:D :D :D

Seriously...does one have to consider the species?

Jim
 
Hi I'm a beekeeper and would say if possible join a local club or find a friendly local beekeeper, look up British Beekepers they will help. I'd recommend that you look for plans for a "National Hive" and if possible make it out of Cedar although many beekeepers use deal. WBC hives (traditional looking with a pent roof) are great to look at and the bees like them but there is a lot of lifting as they are double skinned Bees do suffer from the varroa mite and you will need to know how to treat them for this. If you or your mum joins a local club I'm sure someone will help you with plans or lend you a hive set up to copy, plus you will be helped to source some bees. Thornes is a good source of start up materials and Sheriff make great beesuits. Drop me a pm if you need any help

Regards

Dave
 
Now with a nickname like hivez I HAVE to listen to your advice!! :D

Excellent news! What a wonderful place this is for all sorts of information!

Will take all that advice and go in search of those plans....I have only 3 weeks to make the hive and in secret too...so will contact the WBC by email for info.

Thanks Dave!!

Jim
 
Didn't we get a grant from the EEC so that we would standardise all our hives, isn't it called a Langtroth or something?
 
This plan looks fantastic:

CLICKY HERE

It says Western Red Cedar is the best wood...obviously because of its outdoor properties without preservative....

"Other softwoods are possible with preservative..."

What preservative on pine would be suitable without killing the occupants?

Jim
 
I've always used Curpinol clear used only on the outside and its not affected my bees, alot of beekeepers use it on deal hives
 
jimi43":1pzuqar5 said:
This plan looks fantastic:

CLICKY HERE

It says Western Red Cedar is the best wood...obviously because of its outdoor properties without preservative....

"Other softwoods are possible with preservative..."

What preservative on pine would be suitable without killing the occupants?

Jim

Maybe a wax finish? HA! HA! BOOM! BOOM!
 
I also keep bees. I have cedar hives which came to me from an old beekeeper near enough 50 years ago so are seriously old. I've had to do some repair work on the rooves this year, but otherwise they are fine.

Before you get started just check that the mother's keeping bees is not going to be a nuisance to neighbours (can be classified as a Statutory Nuisance).

Secondly I know that building something from scratch is something that drives all DIY'ers (and particularly for the family), but do just check on the amount of work and then look at suppliers and see if the relationship between their price and your effort/material costs is valid.

Rob
 
We (wife and I) are also just getting into keeping bees but I have worked on the fringes of beekeeping for some years in the context of parasitic mite control.

The critical thing about beehive construction is the 'beespace', the space between the frames of comb. If it's too wide, the bees fill it with disorderly 'burr comb', if it's too narrow (less than about 6 mm), they gum it up solid with 'propolis', a sticky, resiny-waxy sealing material.

Because of this, it's generally suggested for we hobbyist types that we buy ready-made or kit frames of the correct critical dimensions. (This also makes easier the buying and inserting of sheets of 'foundation' , a beeswax or plastic (or combination) material used for providing the bees a template on which to build a single layer of 'comb', the cells used for rearing young bees (brood comb) or for storing honey (honeycomb).

Once you have the frames, eight to ten of which, side-by-side, make up the contents of a brood chamber (the base 'box') or supers (anything stacked on top of the base), the rest of the structure could, with care, be made by a competent d-i-yer. (Frames also differ in height, so you may choose 'deep', 'medium' or 'shallow' boxes, depending on preference, experience in your area and the strength of your back!)

This structure has evolved from the original hive invented by L. L. Langstroth and is now a widely used standard form, in having removable frames, a major step forward in rearing and manipulating bees and harvesting honey and beeswax. Even if a single standard is not current in the UK for the whole hive (I don't know), standard frames almost certainly are and, as described, they provide the basis for the construction of the rest of the hive.

For protecting hive bodies made of deal or other soft woods, the Canadian recommendations are for a latex or alkyd undercoat plus at least two latex topcoats. Only the EXTERIOR surfaces should be painted: i.e. do not paint the inside(s) of the box(es), lid or frames! White is the traditional colour but, in any case, avoid dark colours as they may contribute to the hive's overheating in summer (bees create a considerable amount of heat on their own, without the help of the sun). Alternatively, you can use an exterior grade polyurethane stain.

My apologies for this being so long-winded (must be a newcomer's enthusiasm!) but I hope it's of help.
 
Rob, Mike...thanks for the feedback.

I have been doing a rather lot of studying. I bought Mum the Peacock book and "Beekeeping for Dummies" for a laugh...for her birthday.

The Peacock book is really interesting and educational but I also downloaded complete plans...including the frame dimensions.

I found a source of Canadian Red Cedar and am pricing this once I make a cutting list. I may consider buying the standard frames as you say. It seems that this is the halfway route in keeping me happy...I am sure I can replicate the requirements but if it is cheaper to buy the frames then that would probably be best.

I have also agreed to go with her to the Ruxley West Kent beekeepers meetings before I embark on building to ensure she knows what she is getting into!

Thanks again guys...very helpful

Jim
 
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