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Sorry to mislead, I don't have one for sale, but I do know where there is one for sale.

Can anyone tell me what is so special about the Bedrock, and how much should I expect to pay for a smoother?

It seemed everyone was going mad about them at work, why??

Thanks folks, and if I don't have it I will put it up here for you guys!! :)

Neil
 
Bedrock style planes (including Clifton and LN) have a large, easily fettled planar contact surface between frog and base casting, providing a more secure (and so reputedly less chattery) bed for the blade in use.
Also, apart from the earliest Stanley versions, the frog can be moved (to adjust the mouth) without removing the blade assembly. If working with a limited arsenal, this might be of value.
Cheers
Steve
 
Wot Steve said. The Bedrock frog is a far better design than the Bailey-style frog - usually better machined and the ease with which you can adjust the mouth without taking the plane apart is a feature really worth having.

People often pay a lot of money for old Stanley Bedrocks but, in my view, you would be getting a far better plane by buying a Clifton or Lie Nielsen, which also have Bedrock frogs - they are made from better materials, have better blades and cap irons and are machined more accurately.

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
BTW Neil
We really should 'fess up here - neither Paul nor myself are completely impartial, both having rather more Cliftons than should be mentioned in polite society :D
Steve
 
dunbarhamlin":1q1sahbn said:
We really should 'fess up here - neither Paul nor myself are completely impartial, both having rather more Cliftons than should be mentioned in polite society :D

:oops: :oops: :oops: :lol:

But they are good 8)
 
dunbarhamlin":y15ywy8x said:
BTW Neil
We really should 'fess up here - neither Paul nor myself are completely impartial, both having rather more Cliftons than should be mentioned in polite society :D
Steve

From prolonged conversations with Steve over the last weekend, this statement is affirmative :shock: :lol: :lol: - Rob
 
Ok guys, thanks a lot. I think I will have it though, as, unless it has been sold, it will only be 50quid ish.
I saw one sell on the bay for about 400 quid, think it was a 5 and 1/4, now I know what the half on a stanley is as I have a 4 1/2, but the 1/4, does this mean the same sort of thing?

You plane collectors are sure a mad bunch, aren't you? :wink:
Trouble is I am getting 'urges' myself. I buy stuff, think it'll do, then come across a better one and buy that too!!! Oh dear oh dear, whatever shall become of us. No more holidays, no milk for the baby............

Cheers all

Neil
 
woodbloke":3oqc0iyr said:
From prolonged conversations with Steve over the last weekend, this statement is affirmative :shock: :lol: :lol: - Rob
Wot Paul said :oops:
neilyweely":3oqc0iyr said:
saw one sell on the bay for about 400 quid, think it was a 5 and 1/4, now I know what the half on a stanley is as I have a 4 1/2, but the 1/4, does this mean the same sort of thing?

The opposite - narrower rather than wider. Patrick Leach's Blood and Gore has the low down.
Essentially a Stanley equivalent to the Record T5 with the Bedrock benefits but without the side handle.
 
Hi Neil

The reason the Bedrock #605 1/4 (Junior Jack) sold for so much was that it was a rare plane, one of the rarest. Do not equate other Bedrock planes with it. You should be able to pick up a #604 (smoother) for a quarter of that price.

There are many issues to consider in a Stanley Bedrock verses a Clifton/LN/LV Bedrock. The LV is not a true Bedrock, but is similar.

First off, the LN and LV are not cast grey iron, which is easily broken by a fall, but ductile iron, which is shock-resistant. Note that the Clifton is also cast grey iron.

The Bedrock design is indeed superior to the standard Stanley bench plane, BUT there is more to the needs of a good design than just the design of a frog.

If you are working with interlinked hardwood, you will want a higher cutting angle than the Stanley/Clifton planes can offer. Try the higher angles on the LNs or a BU plane from LN or LV.

The sum is greater than the parts. At the same time consider the parts....

I have a Stanley #604. I added a full-thickness LN blade and cap iron. That increased the mass significantly.. The plane was fettled until tolerances were tight. This takes lots of time and expertise. I added new Rosewood tote and knob for fun (in this picture - going back to the originals). I wanted to add a LN lever cap for yet more mass, but the cost was too great for this experiment.

PimpedBedrock1.jpg


The result of the above was a much, much improved performance. The extra mass and tighter tolerances allowed the plane to work. I doubt whether you would get this with a standard blade or even the LN thinner Stanley Replacement blade on its own.


It's almost cheaper buying a LN than doing the above (when you tot up the extra costs involved). But, then again, you would not notice these improvements without a sharp edge and a comparison of planes on gnarly timber.

Regards from Perth

Derek
 
Although Clifton planes are made of cast grey iron,it seems there are different kinds of this material. Please have the look on the article about a visit at Clico/Clifton by Andy King at Get Woodworking. He writes:

"... I've long sung the praises of ductile bodies for planes on the grounds that they won't fracture or break if dropped; grey iron, on the other hand, has a harder structure and can break. Alan, however, pointed out that grey iron comes in different grades, from manhole cover material to high-end iron such as Clico uses. This has a tougher, more durable molecular structure, and while it cannot be guaranteed that a plane won't break, I was shown videos of planes being dropped from up to 20 feet and surviving! More importantly, they suffered no distortion either, and this gives grey iron the upper hand over ductile iron, whose more pliable nature can allow it to bend or twist. This distortion my be minimal, but it can be enough to prevent the tool from working correctly.

I also saw a plane body that looked as if it had been deliberately struck with a hammer: it had a very deep ding on its edge, but again there was no casting breakage, so I've changed my tune on ductile iron versus grey iron! ..."

getwoodworking com, look for: /news/article/mps/uan/172

And this is not the first time I've read that there is something different with the grey cast iron used in Clifton Planes. For me I prefer the Cliftons about LN - more hefty, IMO nicer design and I like their irons more than the A2 steel. But this are personal preferences. The cutting angle seems to be one of the most discussed topics for planes. Do I really need an York pitch frog while I can hone a microbevel with a higher cutting angel at the iron itself? Which is more convenient - only change the iron or the whole frog? Nevertheless LN planes are a great value, for it's price, too, but not ultima ratio. IMO
Best regards
Recai
 
rebabi":3pk96xjs said:
I was shown videos of planes being dropped from up to 20 feet and surviving!

Hi rebabi and welcome.

I have a copy of the Clico DVD showing the 'drop test' from 20ft onto concrete - very impressive 8)

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
The LV is not a true Bedrock, but is similar.

Indeed. One might argue that the bedding in the LV bench planes is at least as good as Bedrock, althought it's achieved via a radically different design.

Further, you'll never (AFAIK) break the tote, since it's secured top-and-bottom, not just at the base like a Bailey tote.

BugBear
 

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