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marcros

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Am I the only person that is concerned about buying axminster "hobby" rated machinery? Take for instance the TS200 saw. Previously it was rated at Light Trade. I am under no illusion that it would not be suited to being used all day every day, but it sounds much more robusrt than something now deemed as suitable for a hobby, albeit the same machine.

Many of us are "only" weekend warriors, but I think that the new red machines, plastered in hobby livery may be a turn off. Certainly they are likely to be compared more with the performance power etc brands than the premium brands.

Any thoughts?
 
I wonder if they've done this to help people who want to get started in woodworking in respect of helping them identify which machines may be suitable for them if product knowledge is a barrier for example :?

On the flip side they seem to be selling off the "non-hobby" equivalents for around 15% off the original price which might benefit a few people...
 
may be so. may be it is a marketting ploy, so that some people look at the features of the hobby gear and talk themselves up to the trade rated machines over the page. you could argue that with band saws, for example, that none of the hobby machines, nor any of their competitors machines in the same price bracket are going to suitable for continous running, and at least axi state what they mean by each classification. another column to look at, after depth of cut, table size, etc etc to see whether the machine fits your requirements.
 
I thought it made there hobby stuff seem rather expensive. Might even put off a few newbies who think woodwork stuff is too pricey
 
They now have 3 classifications instead of the previous 5:

Hobby/Light trade
Trade
Industrial

Imho, people will be less confused about what machine fits their needs.
 
marketing ploy methinks, paint it a different colour and call it something else and hey presto you can charge more for the same thing.
 
Anything with "hobby" blazened all over it inevitably puts me off though I of course always compare full specs when buying. I've ordered the AWEBDS610 6"x 10" BELT & DISC SANDER which is in the old livery and discounted. I certainly wouldn't pay the increased price of £278 for a hobby machine if it is one of those being changed.
I know it's silly but it goes back to the days when hobby meant cheaper, less powerfull and inferior products which isn't the case these days. "hobbyists" often spend much more than a tradesman would on a specific tool.
The criteria for trade is simple: It needs the capacity, power and reliability to do the tasks required and has to pay for itself over a period of time (including writedown of course). I don't know any joiners who would buy a Lee Neilson to cart around on site, handsaws are mostly throw away hardpoints because they are cost effective, sitesaws do the job but most hobbyists would turn their noses up at one.

A "hobbyist" or more accurately an enthusiast will often spend vast sums on quality brands and hours of fine tuning as the intention is to enjoy their hobby with time, (expensive to a business) as a secondary factor.

Anyway - I think Axminster have got their strategy wrong and sales may well suffer accordingly.

Bob
 
I have bought several of Axminister's hobby range in the past and have regretted it. Since learning the hard way I have done without until I could afford better, and saved up for their trade rated range. For example, their hobby rated scroll saw is quite a disappointment although it only cost about £55 so I suppose I shouldn't expect much. From their trade range I bought a dust extractor and a planer thicknesser, both of which are OK (but only OK) so I'm guessing the equivalent machines in the hobby range would be inadequate even for the occasional user like me.

Some of the Axminster products are not rated, so you just have to look at the price and make a sensible estimate as to whether it's just too cheap. I bought an auto darkening welding mask which I used twice before it gave up the ghost. I also bought a large sized vernier calipers which isn't accurate, and then a digital calipers which keeps running down it's battery despite supposedly being auto switch off. (Axminster replaced it with another with an identical fault).

It's all very well 'buying the best tools you can' but how many diy people can afford to follow that advice - can they justify that sort of expenditure? I think the main thing is - if it's cheap then it's likely to be a far east import, and likely to be of suspect quality. (Not that much machinery is British made these days, but at least a well known maker has a reputation to maintain) So you have to decide if lower quality is good enough for your needs.

You mentioned the Axminster table saw. I was tempted myself, but came across a second hand Scheppach 10" saw nearby and I bought it for a bit less than a new Axminster one. I've been really pleased with it, it's a joy to use - although I've never owned any other table saw to compare it with.

Overall I think Axminster is great, their catalogue is brilliant and so is their range of tools. They supply good quality stuff for those who need it and can afford it, and basic stuff for the budget conscious. If their hobby range is no good for you then don't buy it (as I said, I don't anymore) but if they didn't stock it then people who do want it would have to search elsewhere for it. You have to decide if you can justify the expense of better quality kit. Remember also that if you buy too cheap and are not satisfied with the purchase then you could end up selling it (at a loss now that it's second hand) and still having to pay out for better quality kit.

There's no easy answer. It's a dilemma. However a forum like this is often very useful in helping to make up your mind.

K
 
It's put me off quite a bit. I had a few purchases in mind and two are machines that will get used maybe an hour a week so I don't want to spend that much on these yet now it has hobby in big letters I'm worried customers may see that and think down of using me due to tools they feel aren't accurate enough as they say hobby on the side.

Ok for machines ill use all the time I have no problems in buying a trade or industrial one but for them I was considering a less costly one, ill probably go elsewhere or look at secondhand. Saying that one of the machines which I doubt many hobby uses will have room for or warrent is over 500 yet is only hobby rating.
 
Hudson Carpentry":2q50kbpx said:
yet now it has hobby in big letters I'm worried customers may see that and think down of using me due to tools they feel aren't accurate enough as they say hobby on the side.


Pot of paint? :wink:
 
Hudson Carpentry":31mn1ml6 said:
It's put me off quite a bit. I had a few purchases in mind and two are machines that will get used maybe an hour a week so I don't want to spend that much on these yet now it has hobby in big letters I'm worried customers may see that and think down of using me due to tools they feel aren't accurate enough as they say hobby on the side.

Ok for machines ill use all the time I have no problems in buying a trade or industrial one but for them I was considering a less costly one, ill probably go elsewhere or look at secondhand. Saying that one of the machines which I doubt many hobby uses will have room for or warrent is over 500 yet is only hobby rating.

I'd just make a "Hudson Carpentry" sticker on a printer and laminate it and then stick it over the "Hobby" bit....

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I did this one to cover up a bit of the tailstock which had fallen out...yeh really! It was a poor casting and had a thin layer of body filler not very well stuck in the cavity!

At least the new ones look a bit more respectable...not glowing blue like the original Chinese Russian clones. Mind you...I don't need a worklamp with this lathe....I think it's painted with military surplus paint from Vladivostok! :mrgreen:

Jim
 
Not a bad idea that, they can't say oat if its a h&s warning covering it. Or as the body is red a sealey or Clarke logo hehe.

Did they choose red for hobby so the blood from accidents don't show hehe.
 
I'm not sure sticking a CLARKE logo is much of an improvement over ' hobby' - you may as well use a sticker saying 'cheap far east import'. Try making up a make that sounds impressive - German sounding is always a good start. Or you could have something like ' specially made in the UK for Hudson Carpentry' - that should impress customers (and perhaps 'carelessly' leave a price tag of at least 5 times what you paid attached to the machine to boost the image further).

K
 
graduate_owner":1v4ewhzw said:
Or you could have something like ' specially made in the UK for Hudson Carpentry'

You might even argue that the attachment of such a label could constitute the final significant assembly operation, and thus make it actually "made in the UK" :lol:
 
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