A question

[Doug B]

Could i ask, in the light of Tom`s (wizer`s) new forum, if UKW is to get new Moderators?
Surely Philly & Chris moding both sites could lead to a clash of interests?



Doug

 

[studders]

Could i ask, in the light of Tom`s (wizer`s) new forum, if UKW is to get new Moderators?
Surely Philly & Chris moding both sites could lead to a clash of interests?



Doug

Yes, I thought that too. Even if they were able to be completely impartial in modding decisions, which I'm sure they would be, irrespective of forum, it does leave some gates wide open for potential 'perceived' problems.

 

[rileytoolworks]

What have I missed now?
New forum?
What's going on?


Adam.

 

[Doug B]

What have I missed now?
New forum?
What's going on?


Adam.

It does seem to be the invited few at the moment , Adam

It`s at www.thewoodhaven.co.uk




Doug

 

[big soft moose]

I dont really see why there should be a clash of interests, the sites arent in competition , and people are free to join both or either so i'm not sure what potential problems you forsee - Noel is still a mod here but not there, and their is always the elusive charley, which should stop any conflict occuring.

But i'm sure the mod team would thank you WWUK boys for your concern, it must make a nice change of pace for you from talking about twittery

 

[big soft moose]

What have I missed now?
New forum?
What's going on?


Adam.

It does seem to be the invited few at the moment , Adam

It`s at www.thewoodhaven.co.uk




Doug

Its open to all, and not really a secret or for the "invited few" , its just that tom doesnt want to set out to deliberately poach members from ukws , plus he wanted to keep the wood haven fairly low key until it was fully set up and he'd had a chance to iron out all the gremlins in the code

 

[wizer]

Doug, could you explain further what you mean by 'clashing of interests'?

Neither forum is a profit run business and neither forum pays it's 'staff', so I don't uinderstand which interests would clash?

 

[wizer]

What have I missed now?
New forum?
What's going on?


Adam.

It does seem to be the invited few at the moment , Adam

Was you invited then?

If I had started spamming members I'd have been critisised. This new forum is it's own entity. It's not a 'break-away' forum and at The Wood Haven, I absolutely won't have any water taking or insults thrown around about any other forum.

 

[studders]

Surely some 'behind closed doors' discussion must have taken place and certain individuals privately informed about the new Forum prior to or during its creation?
Either that or there are more psychic Woodworkers on here than one would expect on the average Forum.
The first public mention of its existence was on the other side and that was only a couple of days ago; yet postings would suggest others knew prior to that?
If the intention was to avoid 'poaching' UKWS members then how is it that the current membership appears to consist, almost exclusively, of current UKWS members and Moderators? How, exactly, does the new forum expect to obtain members if not via UKWS?
If the new forum is not in competition with UKWS then what is the purpose of its creation? Are the admin of the new site unhappy about the way things are done on UKWS? Do they think they can do better?
As for conflict of interest, if there is none then presumably Charley is fully aware of the current situation re the new site and the UKWS Mods involvement in it. Is that the case?

 

[big soft moose]

Surely some 'behind closed doors' discussion must have taken place and certain individuals privately informed about the new Forum prior to or during its creation?
Either that or there are more psychic Woodworkers on here than one would expect on the average Forum.
The first public mention of its existence was on the other side and that was only a couple of days ago; yet postings would suggest others knew prior to that?
If the intention was to avoid 'poaching' UKWS members then how is it that the current membership appears to consist, almost exclusively, of current UKWS members and Moderators? How, exactly, does the new forum expect to obtain members if not via UKWS?
If the new forum is not in competition with UKWS then what is the purpose of its creation? Are the admin of the new site unhappy about the way things are done on UKWS? Do they think they can do better?
As for conflict of interest, if there is none then presumably Charley is fully aware of the current situation re the new site and the UKWS Mods involvement in it. Is that the case?

HOW does/did WWUK get members (apart from the initial nucleus who obviously left from here to start it)

as to charleys knowledge - why is it any of your buisness ?

 

[Doug B]

Tom.


You quite obviously got in touch with some members of UKW, as their posts reflect this, these are the invited few i refer to.

No i was not invited, the only reason i know is someone who had never posted before or since, appeared on the forum chat to inform us of your forum.

As for clashes of interest, Philly, Chris & Gill (?) are, although voluntarily, doing exactly the same job on 2 different forums, for 2 different owners.

I wish you well with your venture, but agree with Studders on the points he has raised.


Doug.

 

[matt]

OMG - does anyone really care? :lol:

 

[Paul Chapman]

Blimey, not another forum :shock: :shock: Life's too short........

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[wizer]

I still fail to see how there can be a conflict of interest, but it s a matter for discussion between those mods and Charley. Nothing to do with me. I did not force them to be mods.

I invited a few of my friends to help me test the forums settings and give me a general opinion on what they thought of the site. Someone in that small group let the cat out of the bag and news spread. I did not tell anyone other than 4-5 friends. UKW was not used to poach or convince members to join. In fact I would not be offended if members of UKW did not join The Wood Haven. It's a free world, no one is forcing people to join and join in.

The purpose TWH was launched was indeed because I disagree with how this place is run. That doesn't make us enemies, I strongly object to the swipes and jibes UKW gets from WWUK and I don't want any of that business on my forum.

I hope in the future to offer more value to my members in the form of extra forum features as well as more organised events. Of course none of this will happen until the forum finds it's feet and the comedians get bored of taking the mickey.

I'll say it again, if you object to yet another woodworking forum, don't join. I will never promote my forum here.

 

[Noel]

Tom, catch a grip will you? You're promoting the place now, you're broadcasting it's existence. Personally I have no problem with that but please, get real.

tr.v., -mot·ed, -mot·ing, -motes.
To raise to a more important or responsible job or rank.
To advance (a student) to the next higher grade.
To contribute to the progress or growth of; further. See synonyms at advance.
To urge the adoption of; advocate: promote a constitutional amendment.
To attempt to sell or popularize by advertising or publicity: commercials promoting a new product.
To help establish or organize (a new enterprise), as by securing financial backing: promote a Broadway show.

No 3 might just be apt.
Wish you all the best with it.

 

[MIGNAL]

I don't really see the problem. Many other forums are mentioned on here: Woodnet. Ubeaut and even 'the other side'.

 

[Gary]

I will never promote my forum here.

Tom, you won't have to, others are doing this for you without them even realising it.

I hope the new forum stays as this forum once was and doesn't end up with in fighting and fall outs.

Best of luck.

 

[wizer]

Noel, I did not ask Doug to post about this here. Am I not supposed to reply? If you object, delete this thread.

 

[wizer]

Thanks for the support guys. It seems I'm not allowed to comment, so I won't any further.

 

[Gary]

Thanks for the support guys. It seems I'm not allowed to comment, so I won't any further.

You're allowed as much free speech here as any other member.

Another classic example of longstanding members being driven away from this forum.

Where are people going to go for advice when there's a forum full of newbies?