just to let others know how i appreciate the time and advice that russell gave me on thurs eve, knowing naff all about woodturning or lathes, russell gave me 2 hours of advice and showed me how to go on the lathe. A BIG THANK YOU TO YOU RUSSELL and all on this forum for such brilliant advice. and yes i am now hooked. cheers and happy new year to you all. greggy ccasion5: