“Gouge cuts”

[steve355]

Hi all

I’d like to replicate better the swanky details found on some “boutique” moulding planes - specifically the so called “gouge cuts” which I really don’t think are made using gouges these days. See the area in the circle in the pic below.

I’m pretty sure they aren’t made using a gouge, and I’ve tried using a round plane and it just ends up a mess. Rasp and file? Grades of sandpaper wrapped around a dowel?

Any ideas?

Cheers

 

[Adam W.]

They are done with a gouge, but using a hand held scooping action at 45º across the edge, instead of whacking it with a mallet.

 

[Ttrees]

Might a Millers falls cigar shave be up to the task?

 

[steve355]

They are done with a gouge, but using a hand held scooping action at 45º across the edge, instead of whacking it with a mallet.

I’d be really interested to see how that works Adam. Im sure, given your carving background , that you know what you‘re talking about. But… it’s one of the final operations after a substantial amount of work to make a plane. So it would need to be deadly accurate and 100% reliable. Also, there are many different sizes of gouge cut that would need to be done For all the different sizes of plane.

Is there any more info available anywhere or a demo of how it is done?

 

[Adam W.]

I'll have a look Steve to see if there is an example.

 

[clogs]

I think we need a sharpening post on how to get a razor edge on such a tool.....

 

[Adam W.]

Best avoided, otherwise there will be virtual bloodshed about stuff like - do I need a bevel on the inside of the gouge or not?

 

[Adam W.]

@clogs

What I will do though is show you the type of shaving that you should get from your gouge, or any edge tool for that matter.

A WARNING FOR THE CHILDREN: If you are of a numpty persuasion, please don't try this at home.

 

[johnnyb]

Definite gouge cut it's a twisting cut starting in one corner then finishing at the other. Starting from the top.

 

[steve355]

Definite gouge cut it's a twisting cut starting in one corner then finishing at the other. Starting from the top.

But is it? I reckon the gouge cut is put on to a 45 degree line *before* the cove is planed onto the shoulder. That gives the impression of a twisting cut when in fact it isn’t. Maybe.

 

[Adam W.]

Rotate the gouge as the cut progresses.

 

[Lons]

@clogs

What I will do though is show you the type of shaving that you should get from your gouge, or any edge tool for that matter.

A WARNING FOR THE CHILDREN: If you are of a numpty persuasion, please don't try this at home.

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That's for wimps, if he was a real man he'd be shaving his chin with it.

 

[Adam W.]

I've run out of Band-Aids for that one.

 

[steve355]

Ok, here’s a moulding plane shoulder, a round plane and a nice sharp gouge. What lines should I draw and what cuts do people think I should make, in what order, to achieve the desired result

 

[johnnyb]

The shoulder is a set distance so the width/ sweep of the gouge has significance. I will try a few this afternoon but even that shine shouts sharp gouge. One cut that's equally baffling is the one in the picture. Like a thumbprint. But if operated properly it's a simple cut.

 

[johnnyb]

Btw this type of cut is better in air dried wood.

 

[steve355]

I’m sure it’s dead simple if you know what cut to make… I tried a few this morning but couldn’t seem to get it. Messes with my brain. Which is why I’m not a sculptor.

I think perhaps, that it’s a 45 deg gouge cut into the shoulder, the top of which is then planed off with the round. But maybe not, who knows.

 

[Adam W.]

They look like the last cuts to be made on the body of the plane.

 

[johnnyb]

It needs a bigger gouge than that one maybe a #5 1inch.

 

[Adam W.]

or even no.2/3