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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I would class the current iteration of the Conservatives as more right wing populism than centre right. Eg: 1) nationalistic (Brexit) 2) control of the media 3) trying to remove power of courts to hold executive to account 4) ramp up hatred of foreigners 5) corruption / nepotism 6) dislike of...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Conservative borrowing increase: From 2010 to 2019, total gross government debt (1) increased by £643 bn from £1.2 trillion to £1.8 trillion. Which part specifically as I’ve not seen any unfunded Labour policies Really? Labour policies: Repeal anti union laws End fire rehire End zero hr...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    We can certainly spread it lot thinner before it’s a problem The U.K. has amongst the worst wealth distribution compared to most other Western economies. We have a lower standard of living, and very poor public services compared to equivalent economies Britain and the US are poor societies...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Labour has never been a socialist party Labour doesn’t have any socialist policies. If you think it does, please could you show me a policy which says the means of production should be owned by the community. But you stated socialism means the state owns everything. It’s irrelevant anyway...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I honestly think the left wing of Labour has done themselves no favours by adopting a term that doesn’t represent what they are fighting for but has become a frequently used pejorative. I’m sorry Jacob, but the term is defined and yes it is a theory. Homeless people can have homes in a...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Whilst I agree with you, it might not be good getting into Brexit in this thread. Its an extremely complex topic that has been reduced to emotive slogans….nothing we say will change that sadly.
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I would just like to politely correct this if I may. Definition of socialism is: “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole” Which is not state...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    There was never any hope of a trade deal of any value with the USA The belief that U.K. would benefit from making its own trade deals was always a fallacy. The shops and online have always been full of stuff from China, India, America, Australia, Vietnam, etc etc. The idea there were new...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    It never fails to amaze what clever people there are in this forum. Woodworking obviously attracts highly intelligent people :)
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    This is a common trope. Please have a think why children, women and the elderly are less likely to take arduous, dangerous journeys.
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I would would to politely challenge you on the specific point: “We have all become far wealthier than 14 years ago” The evidence does not support that, as far as I can tell, currently there are: 4.8million people suffering food insecurity 6.0m people suffering fuel insecurity Pensioner...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I don’t think these people are sitting comfortably in their homes, looking through travel brochures. Evidence shows most small boat arrivals are from: Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Eritrea, Iran, Iraq. They aren’t leaving because they think they might earn a bit more in U.K., they are leaving to...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    The last 14 years has seen a huge transfer of wealth from working people into the assets of the wealthy. Home ownership rates have plummeted. If you can’t buy a house, that severely limits peoples success. I blame the left wing govt we’ve had in power for the last 14 years….oh hang on a moment
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I agree, it’s awful the way lefty Labour want mass migration, in the last 2 years they’ve allowed a million people to come here.
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    May I ask, do you support the unions striking like Mick Lynch from the RMT?
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Simple explanation:
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    We the people can’t change wars and persecution that make people flee What you are effectively saying is: “I don’t want them coming here” In which case perhaps you might like to say which country you think should take more.
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    When people get displaced, most stay in the region, hence why Turkey has 4 million, Jordan has 1.5 million etc. The remainder disperse over a wide area, they choose countries where they have a connection, like family or the language. The majority do not come to the U.K. because they have been...
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    Joke Thread 4 (closed).

    If only Trump had worn this cap for his speech yesterday:
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