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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Brexit has destroyed the Conservative Party…..which was replaced by a right wing populist party in 2019. It’s managed to burn 5 Tory PMs (Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak) I think most Conservative supporters are the small c traditional conservatives who hate what their party has become.
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Actually I think I may have misheard. I thought he said “remainers Brexit”, but maybe he actually said “dogs breakfast” Anyway back to GE2024 there has been complete silence on brexit. Why? A = because Conservatives don’t want to wind up the ever increasing numbers of brexit sceptics...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    David Davis said recently: “what we have ended up with is a remainers Brexit”
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I’m not convinced he is a serious intellectual, he has also been predicting the imminent collapse of for a long time: China, Russia, Canada. The USA tends to be anti EU so it’s popular to put forward theories of demise. Clearly EU has structural issues including the failed Euro, CAP, reliance...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Labour manifesto released tomorrow
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Looks like Keir Starmer won Sky leaders debate Which I have to say was a far far better format than the ITV one Conservatives are still doubling down on tax lies. Can somebody tell Keir Starmer using the phrase “my dad was a toolmaker” can translate as Sir Keir being the tool. (Makes me...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    U.K. leaving EU collapse. Not the same thing, but a nice attempt at whataboutery :)
  8. R

    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Apparently not having sky is a hardship………… Nah…..not having enough to eat is a hardship
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    I think this narrative is a bit of hyperbole The EU is not in danger of collapsing, never has been. It’s a economic superpower up there with USA and China, it has a gdp of $16trillion. EU currently has major investment from Intel to become a major semiconductor manufacturer and there’s...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Keir Starmers job has been to fight against right wing populism, with the right wing media gaslighting the nation and spreading propaganda. Labour has one job only: to win power Anyway I don’t see how your argument stacks up. The public voted Conservatives into power in 2010, 2015, 2017...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Conservatives have released their manifesto It has the strap lines: Clear plan Bold action Secure future For those keen to read it, here it is https://public.conservatives.com/static/documents/GE2024/Conservative-Manifesto-GE2024.pdf
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    in the next leadership debate, Keir Starmer should say: "weve fully costed your plans and its going to cost each and every British taxpayer £7000" and wait for Sunak to start grumbling its not true...but keep talking over him so he cant attack it :ROFLMAO:
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    1) money "A recent openDemocracy investigation found that America’s Christian right spent at least $50 million of “dark money” to fund campaigns and advocacy in Europe over the past decade." https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/the-american-dark-money-behind-europes-far-right/ 2) Trump does...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Getting back to GE2024, Im wondering how much the Nigel Farage factor in regards to Reform will have on the election outcome Looking back to UKIP and the Brexit Party, there hasnt been much evidence that Reform will win many seats, but they could get loads of Conservative votes in those...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Not really, the right dont hold any real power, 70% of EU MEPs are not on the populist right, but hey: the move to the right in Europe is driven by 3 things: 1) Trump 2) refugees dispersing across Europe 3) social media Social Media -this is a big one, it has allowed the populist right to...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Keir Starmer has only made Labour electable by being extremely careful to avoid R/W attacks and traps -which is why they have never produced a manifesto. the last 40 years has seen an endless stream of parties being elected off the back of promising to lower taxes, Jeremy Hunt did in the last...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    Please have a look at what MPs do behind the media scrum of sound bites and slogans, there are some very talented and hard working people in politics, I think it’s sad when people just say they are all muppets I am pleased to see Torsten Bell is standing as a Labour candidate in the election...
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    A = brexit
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    THE FOURTH OF JULY

    there’s a few things to note 1) the £2000 is just Tories making assumptions about the costs of labours policies 2) even if true, it’s actually over 4 years 3) taxes policies Labour are looking at do not spread out across the nation, they are targeted 4) Sunak lied when he said it was civil...
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